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    Posted: 25 Aug 21 at 7:59am
Originally posted by robin34024

Thats because they're obviously not members there.

I think its a good laugh personally. They're highlighting an archaic and outdated requirement, and having fun whilst doing it. After all, what reason would someone who's at uni, skint, and only sails on the circuit have to join a sailing club?


Boom! Market forces. For those outraged cos people aren’t supporting clubs…..it’s a buyer’s market….

Same as the flawed notion of giving the Juniors back to the Club from squads…:only works if the clubs have a viable logger for them.
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Skint?! You don’t know the meaning of the word if you think having the newest boat in the fleet qualifies. Or any boat for that matter.
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I think the point is that the cost of entry to most events does not cover the true cost of running it. The sport is reliant on give and take and a huge volunteer work force. If pay and play is the future the cost per session will need to be vastly higher. Why should I take the time to man a rescue boat for a weekend, write SI’s, repair the radio, arrange the organisation committee’s insurance and make sure the bar is stocked if you won’t do the same in return or you won’t cover the cost of my time? Please don’t tell me you are gracing me with your presence
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Robin, you don't have to be a member of a club, you can just be a RYA member/affiliated.
Issue being highlighted is the lack of respect for volunteer team who are giving up their free time to organise the race.
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Originally posted by A2Z

Skint?! You don’t know the meaning of the word if you think having the newest boat in the fleet qualifies. Or any boat for that matter.


These guys aren't exactly tin pot sailors, at least one is a BST member.

Reckon they'd have any issues finding a boat to borrow, or using a sponsors boat?
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Originally posted by A2Z

I think the point is that the cost of entry to most events does not cover the true cost of running it. The sport is reliant on give and take and a huge volunteer work force. If pay and play is the future the cost per session will need to be vastly higher. Why should I take the time to man a rescue boat for a weekend, write SI’s, repair the radio, arrange the organisation committee’s insurance and make sure the bar is stocked if you won’t do the same in return or you won’t cover the cost of my time? Please don’t tell me you are gracing me with your presence



I've known an awful lot of club events such as opens where it's been a lot easier to drum up a few more volunteers than a few more paying competitors. The best  reason to get involved with running events at a club is because you enjoy getting involved and think its worthwhile. A lot of people who used to go to a lot of events now spend more time organising events. No doubt some of todays circuit sailors will do the same in future years. I don't believe there is a real problem of 'circuit sailors' who don't belong to any club taking more from the system than they put back, averaged over their lifetime/sailing career. The cost of entry for many events is only justified by the value added by the other competitors. The facilities, sailing area and race management are often no better than what people have already paid for at their home club. It's usually racing in a good size OD fleet which makes paying for an event worthwhile. If you're going to resent a few competitors not being a club member for a short period in their lives, you're probably shooting yourself in the foot. I say that as someone who's been a member of several sailing clubs, usually more than one at a time as I've moved through life.
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It’s just a storm in a tea cup . It’s just a group of friends having a laugh. 
I would lay money on everyone of them being members of Rya clubs or are individual members of the RYA.
Just look at the names , some of them are part of our national sailing set up, I would lay money on them being members of the RYA  LOL
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Originally posted by robin34024

Thats because they're obviously not members there.
They're highlighting an archaic and outdated requirement,

Being affiliated to the sport's governing body so that they have jurisdiction over you for rules purposes? If thats outdated lets field a rugby team at a football match.

Originally posted by robin34024 After all, what reason would someone who's at uni, skint, and only sails on the circuit have to join a sailing club?[/quote



Being skint, at uni and sailing on the circuit are mutually exclusive. If you cant afford to join a club you would probably struggle pay for transport.

And as for not needing to join a club, what would you do if all the clubs stopped running them because no-one from within attends the opens? I know many classes that have lost events due to that, especially at smaller clubs. Support for the sport begins at home.

As I say I dont particularly blame the people who do it, but I do regret that is is possible and deemed acceptable.


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Isn't everyone in a Uni Sailing Club a 'block member' of an affiliated club, and a member of BUSA? I assume BUSA is affiliated to the RYA?   The only person I know who's sailed opens while not actually having a home club was 'between clubs' due to a house and job relocation. I've known at least one person enter as 'RYA' despite being a member of at least one club. There could be several reasons for that. Like it's short and unambiguous. You could get fed up with being attributed to the wrong BSC or something? People seem quite keen to read the worst nto other people's actions on zero evidence. As for students being skint and going sailing, you make your choices about borrowing money, it's all debt these days unlike my cohort topping up their grant with a bit of debt to run cars, boats, motorbikes etc. Merely being 'skint' as in having zero money would be a luxury for those with a lot of negative money.
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Spot on 
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