Bit disrespectful to the model boat club if they are not members?

Or maybe it's just a bit of fun and publicity for the model boat club.

One more wetsuit retailer not having my size and I'm going to seriously look into model boats!

There is no need to be a member of a club if you are an RYA member, or a member of a class association affiliated to the RYA or WS. I would assume the RS owners association is affiliated to the RYA?

In any case competitors are likely to have the status of temporary members of the organising club?

Some people have complex loyalties to more than one club and don't want to name one club.

Originally posted by Chris_H Just curious, but is there an actual purpose to require belonging to a club or the RYA for an event? I cant think of one that makes a material difference to the event so am asking out of genuine curiosity.

World Sailing can only write rules which apply to its members and affiliates, they have no jurisdiction over people who are not members.

In the limit, if someone was racing and was not affiliated, interactions between boats would be controlled by colregs not the rules according to WS.

It's like the FA can't tell people how to play Rugby or American 'football'.

On another level, if you don't buy into the rules and organsation framework, you're not entitled to benefit from it.

It's often a moot point, because the class association is an affiliated body and the event is only open to association members.

Exactly. Oh well, just curious

You once again have hit nail firmly on head!

This is yet another of those urban myths that have sprung up over the years about racing and who can tell you what.

If you enter a race, then to do so you have to accept a number of pre-conditions, eg Insurance and membership of  an affiliated club. Once you have entered, then you are bound by the RRS (plus or minus any local changes). Where it gets trickier is when people rock up on a start line when they haven't entered. But if you enter a race then you are bound by whatever provisions apply to that event, with this principle being enshrined in law, going back to the late 1890s (I can't claim to have covered the event in question but I did research this fully for an article that was done some years back).

What happened was there was a Port and Starboard and sadly, a crew member on the RoW boat lost his life. The owner of the Port Hand boat then tried to claim that he was only required to settle on the basis of the basics of Col Regs/commercial shipping values.  It was fought through the courts, all the way to the Appeal Court in the end, where it was decided that once you enter a race, you have agreed to a contractual obligation to comply  with the rules. This has underpinned our sport ever since!

Dougal

Originally posted by Rupert Or maybe they are a group of friends you used to sail together and are now spread around the country, who sail under a club name that means something to them all when they get together? I have no idea about this example, but know of this in several classes. Often it's ex university friends.

There were some clubs, fully paid up RYA affiliation, which only existed on paper, for the purposes of entering Team Racing events, Southport 24 Hr Race and other events. I wonder how many of those are still around?

There are 'Yacht Clubs' which are not buildings but groups of people who charter yachts.

If there's a few of you, it's probably cheaper to affiliate MOBYC to the RYA than to join the RYA as individuals.

But some proper sailing clubs are pretty cheap to join.

I.e. as long s you are a member of the RYA or a club affiliated, then that satisfies the rule and you can have whatever you like on the results sheet? 

The 200s have quite a competitive top club trophy. NoR says your club is just whatever you put first on your entry form. No reference to rule 75.  

So, probably a group of friends who wanted to competed for the top club trophy and all agreed a random club to put down. Who knows, they could actually be members too.

Anyway, HISC still won. 

We get really good competition at the club so I just don't get the itch to travel. We're a bit spoilt really so haven't done any open sailing since about 2014 (except opens at HISC). 

Also, the 200 is something me and the wife have as a shared interest. We've been lucky enough to be decent and get some good results and it's always tempting to enter a nationals and really push that extra bit... which then sucks the fun out of it. 

I do get a bit of fomo as the event happens each year and seriously considered it this time... but then I changed jobs and no longer had the leave.

I think the nationals are at Hayling next year, so I'll certainly support that.

Originally posted by Andymac If not members, then I guess the best people to judge if harmless banter or not are the genuine members of the club. A complaint from them to the RYA could lead to a rule 2 hearing.

Plenty of keyboard sailors on here who can be offended on their behalf it seems!

was the Royal DNBYC ever a properly affiliated club?

Thread drift, but maybe these days more people will want clubs without the clubhouse full of ex-sailors sharing their germs?

I think anything- however gentle- that encourages sailor to join  a club is good

With the Df65 and 95 model yachts being available at sensible price, my sailing club is joined by many other full sized clubs racing them. Model yacht racing is not just small ponds nowadays- and a great excuse to get out there in a mid winter storm

If it's an ILCA open meeting, there would be no requirement to be a member of a club, as you'd be required to be a member of the class association?

Reading the actual rules and talking about their requirements accurately might help some people.

Stoneybridge Corinthian Yacht Club came out of a few Scottish sailors who travelled down south to sail more than they sailed at home at the time. Stoneybridge was a reference to the Absolutely comedy show on C4. The Corinthian Yacht Club bit was some gentle mocking of some higher class YCs from lowly dinghy sailors from small clubs.

 [TUBE]https://youtu.be/cTsvLjAzozE[/TUBE] 

Some people got worked up about it but a lot of fuss over what was a bit of harmless fun IMO.

Well that makes sense - I was at Edinburgh and spent way too much time with the various members of the Scottish Uni team racing teams from across the various Scottish Unis!

They had never been members to my knowledge and frankly we thought it was rude.

Sad lonely individuals for wondering whether all these 200 sailors are actually members of a model yacht club? Sad for wondering whether any of them are members of an actual dinghy sailing club? 

To me it is sad and lonely (and immature) not to be, not to want to be, or not to want to admit to be, a member of a 200 club if you race 200 competitively.

Also looking through Clapham Model YC’s results these hot shot 200 sailors are crap model yachters.  None of them seem to have placed a result in the last few years of races. 

With my pedant hat on, which class associations are affiliated other than RYA and WS administered classes?

(I am also a supporter of club membership, I think the proliferation on no-club nomads is very unhealthy for the sport. Unfortunately money talks and the proliferation of open winter sailing is negating the need for a club base - something we may well rue in years to come. I don't blame the people, it suits their needs. I blame the sport for making it possible.)

Originally posted by JimC A CA needs to be RYA affiliated to exhibit at the dinghy show. Its not very expensive, the vast majority are.

Do you remember the spat between the 505 boys and the RYA on that subject when RS were treated as a 'class assocaition' before having sold any boats? Happy Daze......

Originally posted by A2Z I think the point is that the cost of entry to most events does not cover the true cost of running it. The sport is reliant on give and take and a huge volunteer work force. If pay and play is the future the cost per session will need to be vastly higher. Why should I take the time to man a rescue boat for a weekend, write SI’s, repair the radio, arrange the organisation committee’s insurance and make sure the bar is stocked if you won’t do the same in return or you won’t cover the cost of my time? Please don’t tell me you are gracing me with your presence

I've known an awful lot of club events such as opens where it's been a lot easier to drum up a few more volunteers than a few more paying competitors. The best  reason to get involved with running events at a club is because you enjoy getting involved and think its worthwhile. A lot of people who used to go to a lot of events now spend more time organising events. No doubt some of todays circuit sailors will do the same in future years. I don't believe there is a real problem of 'circuit sailors' who don't belong to any club taking more from the system than they put back, averaged over their lifetime/sailing career. The cost of entry for many events is only justified by the value added by the other competitors. The facilities, sailing area and race management are often no better than what people have already paid for at their home club. It's usually racing in a good size OD fleet which makes paying for an event worthwhile. If you're going to resent a few competitors not being a club member for a short period in their lives, you're probably shooting yourself in the foot. I say that as someone who's been a member of several sailing clubs, usually more than one at a time as I've moved through life.

I would lay money on everyone of them being members of Rya clubs or are individual members of the RYA.

Just look at the names , some of them are part of our national sailing set up, I would lay money on them being members of the RYA 

Being affiliated to the sport's governing body so that they have jurisdiction over you for rules purposes? If thats outdated lets field a rugby team at a football match.

Originally posted by robin34024 After all, what reason would someone who's at uni, skint, and only sails on the circuit have to join a sailing club?[/quote

I remember back in the day of the Laser 2 circuit, with Delsey/Freisenet sponsorship, where round-the-circuit racing took part on many weekends, and belonging to my local club was, in reality, a waste of money as I didnt use the club or its facilities for much of the time.

I respect the views of others who think otherwiase, but those have not really given a convincing reason as to why to continue to belong to a club if it doesnt really benefit you.

Still, most DO belong to a club, so its not really an issue overall to get worked up about ;-)

Not a bad argument.

But please tell me how £45 for an rya membership or £60max for a student membership at an actual club will make any odds. £180 over three years.

I don't think we disagree much.

Looking back, I wasted a lot of opportunities in my student years, blowing a few more hundred then would have made little difference in the long run and would have given me experience which cost a lot more later or I never got back to.

OTOH  180 quid would easily get swallowed elsewhere.

Some people leave their 'home' club as students because they are not there to do duties, clubs and circumstances vary. Some people don't sail much in their student years, a lot of other things to do.

I doubt there are many clubless student open meeting sailors out there though. Maybe one or two from euroland? Anyone care to point the finger at a real life example?

When it comes to the point of being bound by the rules, some people who've been members for 50 years seem to have more tendency to revert to colregs, Solo sailors shouting 'overtaking boat keep clear' springs to mind.

I don't think we do either.

As a Uni student at a uni that doesn't sail much/team racing isn't your thing the reduced student membership rate - at the right club - is probably the best value sailing you can get. Cant afford a boat? Crew for someone! If you're any good you'll quickly find your way into a good boat and could learn a lot. I wonder how many circuit sailors would club race more if they could get a better "club" crew (A vicious circle as so many now have solos as second boats - I know I do)

There are many real solutions to the imaginary problem.