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    Posted: 19 Aug 21 at 4:27pm
Jim C,

You once again have hit nail firmly on head!

This is yet another of those urban myths that have sprung up over the years about racing and who can tell you what.

If you enter a race, then to do so you have to accept a number of pre-conditions, eg Insurance and membership of  an affiliated club. Once you have entered, then you are bound by the RRS (plus or minus any local changes). Where it gets trickier is when people rock up on a start line when they haven't entered. But if you enter a race then you are bound by whatever provisions apply to that event, with this principle being enshrined in law, going back to the late 1890s (I can't claim to have covered the event in question but I did research this fully for an article that was done some years back).

What happened was there was a Port and Starboard and sadly, a crew member on the RoW boat lost his life. The owner of the Port Hand boat then tried to claim that he was only required to settle on the basis of the basics of Col Regs/commercial shipping values.  It was fought through the courts, all the way to the Appeal Court in the end, where it was decided that once you enter a race, you have agreed to a contractual obligation to comply  with the rules. This has underpinned our sport ever since!

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Sad times when we automatically assume the worst, hopefully they are genuine members, a group of friends will tend to try each other's pastimes.
Membership at Bournville model yacht club is £76, new members also have to pay a £10 joining fee, club is affiliated to RYA and MYA. Just an example of a model yacht club fees, been unable to access Claphams fee structure.

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Originally posted by JimC

Clapham Model YC is affiliated to the Model Yacht Association, which is recognised by the RYA, so I believe it would be legitimate for members of that club to enter events. As long as the boats are entered by someone who's a member of an affiliated club then the RYA have jurisdiction and the rules are satisfied.

Yes, but they clearly don’t sail their 200s there. I realise this may be a cheap way of exploiting a loophole but hardly in the spirit of things.
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Or maybe they are a group of friends you used to sail together and are now spread around the country, who sail under a club name that means something to them all when they get together? I have no idea about this example, but know of this in several classes. Often it's ex university friends.
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Or it might just be a bad joke about one pond inside the M25 being much like another?
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Originally posted by Rupert

Or maybe they are a group of friends you used to sail together and are now spread around the country, who sail under a club name that means something to them all when they get together? I have no idea about this example, but know of this in several classes. Often it's ex university friends.

There were some clubs, fully paid up RYA affiliation, which only existed on paper, for the purposes of entering Team Racing events, Southport 24 Hr Race and other events. I wonder how many of those are still around?
There are 'Yacht Clubs' which are not buildings but groups of people who charter yachts.
If there's a few of you, it's probably cheaper to affiliate MOBYC to the RYA than to join the RYA as individuals.
But some proper sailing clubs are pretty cheap to join.
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Would have been handy for the Windmill on a Thursday night back in the day 
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Originally posted by A2Z

Yes, but they clearly don’t sail their 200s there. I realise this may be a cheap way of exploiting a loophole but hardly in the spirit of things.

No loophole, no spirit of things. The rule requiring affiliated club membership is there for a specific reason as stated above. Its absolutely nothing to do with the actual boats. If there were a requirement to actually sail at one's nominal home club the majority of the Olympic team and half the country's keen circuit sailors would be in trouble.
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Compare with the Merlins and Scorpions. There are several Olympians and squaddies (inc recent good medalist Stu Bithell) at their nationals but they all list an actual dinghy sailing club.

It seems childish to me to list a model yacht club as your home club, but then it is largely a student class so perhaps not surprising. Shades of shake yer beans from a few years back.

Having said all that I see an entry is listed from my club and I don’t recognise the name at all!

No doubting the quality of the field though. Bit of a shame it clashes with the two other hiking classes as I’m sure there’s a few who have had to pick one over the other.
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Does the club on the results sheet have to be the club that satisfies rule 75?

I.e. as long s you are a member of the RYA or a club affiliated, then that satisfies the rule and you can have whatever you like on the results sheet? 

The 200s have quite a competitive top club trophy. NoR says your club is just whatever you put first on your entry form. No reference to rule 75.  

So, probably a group of friends who wanted to competed for the top club trophy and all agreed a random club to put down. Who knows, they could actually be members too.

Anyway, HISC still won. 
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