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    Posted: 24 May 21 at 6:54pm
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...also assume that at some point there would need to be two PYs

Of course not. One class, one yardstick.

I can think of a number of classes that have different PYs depending on the age of the boat and the rules that related to them at that point in their development - Flying 15s and Cherub spring to mind but there are probably a number of others if I put my mind to it.
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How many changes has the Blaze had since the Topper days?


Enough to keep it viable - clearly.

Stunting progress in a Class just to keep old duffers happy is stupid.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

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I'm not sure they could have built an exact copy of the North as North developed the sail not the CA or Blaze right holders. WRT faster or not, the discussion at the Northerns last weekend was that it's more durable and more tweakable than the North but we'll probably never know if it's faster or not as most of the fast guys will be using the new sail by autumn.

Oh - makes sense. So all the duff sailers with older boats, tin-rigs and obsolete sails will be excluded from the PY calcs then and the better guys with new boats, carbon rigs and better sails will.....oh sh*t, hang on.....

Just the same with any class, the PN takes a couple of years to catch up after changes, and they all change, if not Enterprises would still have wooden masts, cotton sails and plywood hulls.


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Well if it helps our friends at North to reconsider their outrageous margin structure then good for them.

1200 quid forsomething costing less than 300 and a vertical market at that.

Good on Hartleys.

More classes should open their sail production.

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Originally posted by H2

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I'm not sure they could have built an exact copy of the North as North developed the sail not the CA or Blaze right holders. WRT faster or not, the discussion at the Northerns last weekend was that it's more durable and more tweakable than the North but we'll probably never know if it's faster or not as most of the fast guys will be using the new sail by autumn.

Oh - makes sense. So all the duff sailers with older boats, tin-rigs and obsolete sails will be excluded from the PY calcs then and the better guys with new boats, carbon rigs and better sails will.....oh sh*t, hang on.....

Just the same with any class, the PN takes a couple of years to catch up after changes, and they all change, if not Enterprises would still have wooden masts, cotton sails and plywood hulls.
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Originally posted by H2

...also assume that at some point there would need to be two PYs

Of course not. One class, one yardstick.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I'm not sure they could have built an exact copy of the North as North developed the sail not the CA or Blaze right holders. WRT faster or not, the discussion at the Northerns last weekend was that it's more durable and more tweakable than the North but we'll probably never know if it's faster or not as most of the fast guys will be using the new sail by autumn.

Oh - makes sense. So all the duff sailers with older boats, tin-rigs and obsolete sails will be excluded from the PY calcs then and the better guys with new boats, carbon rigs and better sails will.....oh sh*t, hang on.....
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Don't know nuffin' 'bout the Blaze really.

But from a lay perspective it does seem a remarkable boat, almost magical and with unique ever changing properties (non performance enhancing changes of course). On open water it appears to have the power to transform the new owners ability almost overnight.



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I'm not sure they could have built an exact copy of the North as North developed the sail not the CA or Blaze right holders. WRT faster or not, the discussion at the Northerns last weekend was that it's more durable and more tweakable than the North but we'll probably never know if it's faster or not as most of the fast guys will be using the new sail by autumn.
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Had our first H2 open of the year at Warsash this last weekend, great to see 18 H2s out having fun. We shared the event also with the Blaze's and a few of the guys turned up with the new sails which look nice but was surprised they were a different shape, not just a different material from the North ones. Chatting to one of the guys at the front of the fleet he mentioned that the sail had been updated to better suit the carbon mast as well as being much cheaper than the inflated North one. All makes sense I guess but slightly blows a hole in me wanting to buy a cheap second boat which would have a tin-mast for messing around on the South Coast....also assume that at some point there would need to be two PYs unless of course the new sail cut for a carbon mast proves to actually be slower  Wink
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