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    Posted: 19 Apr 21 at 9:01am
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Had another thought has a shroud ‘traveller’ arrangement ever been tried? So they move forward and aft as you rake the rig?
Tasars use this, its only control by a 2:1 line & cleat at the base of the shroud, on a development boat you could add control lines for this method.
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Using a Highfield lever (invented by Mr Highfield acc to Wikipedia) to let off the leeward shroud is well known, however, getting forwards and to leeward in a singlehandedly to put it off and on again might be fun to watch
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Tasars use this, its only control by a 2:1 line & cleat at the base of the shroud, on a development boat you could add control lines for this method.


Thanks for that intel we have a couple of tasars racing at our place now I'll check them out.

Originally posted by Old bloke

Using a Highfield lever (invented by Mr Highfield acc to Wikipedia) to let off the leeward shroud is well known, however, getting forwards and to leeward in a singlehandedly to put it off and on again might be fun to watch


Is that the lever the Contenders use, it's only on things like a dead run in light conditions so I can get the boom out to the max, good to hear it's a 'thing' and not one of my nutter moments.

Oh and thanks for all this, it's one of the really good points of this forum, all this experience wasting away in front of computer screens..

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Some British moths recently have used highfield levers on the shrouds , but they are narrow so putting them back is not a problem. . It seems to work ok  ( Though i did once see a mast jump out of the mast step because a sailor managed to let off both levers at the same time) .
Most modern British moths have adjustable shrouds with the controls led to the other side of the boat but then have a  fixed forestay . 
Most new british moths have either adjustable forestay or adjustable shrouds . Never both , I have no idea why Smile
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Things like Albacores have pulley systems on the shrouds so you can adjust the tension by pulling string rather than trying to lose the tips of your fingers with a Highfield lever. I suspect you could double that up with a track like the Tasar as well to give you all the adjustment you could wish for, well until it all comes off in one go and your mast jumps off the foot and punctures a hole in the deck that is.
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This shows a N12 from 20 years ago with tracks for shrouds.  The tracks allowed you to square the boom and maintain rig tension.  The length could also be adjusted.  Lots of string and expensive kit.  It was a £500 upgrade (back then) on a simple cascade system.  Quite a few boats went for it though and it certainly has its merits.


Note that the mast is keel stepped.  Mast will have had a bin securing the mast heel  into the mast step.  It would not be recommended for deck stepped....
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Grf you'd love the shroud fixings on our old Albacore - two hooks just below the side decks onto which the eyes on the shroud ends fit - so easy to set up. The hooks are on top of muscle boxes which have lines out to cleats so are held under tension and can't slip out. And above the decks in the shrouds are shroud levers - flip up to release, pull down and lock before rounding the leeward mark.
I find the levers easier to operate than the rope version on the newer Albs, possibly because of the positioning. 
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Originally posted by Jon Meadowcroft

This shows a N12 from 20 years ago with tracks for shrouds.  The tracks allowed you to square the boom and maintain rig tension.  The length could also be adjusted.  Lots of string and expensive kit.  It was a £500 upgrade (back then) on a simple cascade system.  Quite a few boats went for it though and it certainly has its merits.


Note that the mast is keel stepped.  Mast will have had a bin securing the mast heel  into the mast step.  It would not be recommended for deck stepped....

My IC used a cascade system, had a deck steeped mast and I never once eased the leeward shroud fearing an accidental gybe. Was sailing at Ullswater at the time where I saw two cruisers pass each other on reciprocal courses - both flying a conventional spinni dead down wind. 
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Originally posted by patj

Grf you'd love the shroud fixings on our old Albacore - two hooks just below the side decks onto which the eyes on the shroud ends fit - so easy to set up. The hooks are on top of muscle boxes which have lines out to cleats so are held under tension and can't slip out. And above the decks in the shrouds are shroud levers - flip up to release, pull down and lock before rounding the leeward mark.I find the levers easier to operate than the rope version on the newer Albs, possibly because of the positioning. 


Sounds cool, all these great ideas, all on different classes, imagine if there weren't fixed class rules eveerybody could enjoy all the good things in some sense of uniformity and wouldn't the pricing have fallen if everyone started using similar stuff, you know like even the holes in the chain plates being the same diameter might have helped.

Were Albacore a big deal? Like back in whatever day? Genuine question, I wasn't really that around and other than 505s, Scorpions and GP14s (because their owners were so tight when they came into the old Racing Sailboat shop we took over and nobody wanted to serve them) I didn't know a great deal about what was going on in the seventies when I guess they were big.
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The Alb has always been a 'big' class but perhaps not as big as some other classes.

The boats are fantastic - very quick for a hiking boat with no kit and beautiful - especially when you consider how old the design is

The modern Ovi hulls seem perhaps a bit quicker than the old woodies but not much in it

All sorts of crew weights are competitive too

The modern set ups are amazing - allowing massive adjustment on the water - rake, rig tension, shrouds, etc
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