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    Posted: 18 Apr 21 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by Oatsandbeans

I agree the best way I found was a braid eg dynema going up and down a few times to give a purchase. To mark the position I used to whip on twine at critical positions in bands one two and three to mark the “fast” positions


Got to see that, any pictures? Not quite sure I follow, braid, how does that work?
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With the market moving towards single handed boats the R&D has gone into sail and mast development without the need for shrouds. Simple systems where a couple of controls can control the rig are the future. Obviously multiple rig sizes are also popular and probably considerably cheaper than all the complexity of letting off shroud, adjusting rake etc etc 
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When you can trapeze off an unstayed rig I'll agree with you and other than the D0 rig, all the others are pants, you can't call an Aero rig for instance "the Future","days of future past" maybe, simple possibly and I have no problems with simple or the Aero in particular, but my boat came with shrouds and I need to deal with them eficiently and easily and so far I've not come across a system that enables that.

I did consider a trapeze locking system so you could use them on an unstayed rig by securing the opposite side by a hook, I thought that might work then I wondered what might happen when the boom swung out.
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There was an unstated trapeze boat back in the 80s, alloy mast.  If the market thought a new trapeze boat would sell they could easily produce an unstated trapeze boat. Too late on a Sunday to do the maths . Like it or not any growth or at least slowing of the decline is in existing classes, hiking boats and single handed boats. Adding beam, wings etc are replacing trapezes and D-One, RS300, Waszp prove an unstayed mast is up to the job. 
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Originally posted by tink

There was an unstated trapeze boat back in the 80s, alloy mast.  If the market thought a new trapeze boat would sell they could easily produce an unstated trapeze boat. Too late on a Sunday to do the maths . Like it or not any growth or at least slowing of the decline is in existing classes, hiking boats and single handed boats. Adding beam, wings etc are replacing trapezes and D-One, RS300, Waszp prove an unstayed mast is up to the job. 


The base of that mast was the size of a tree trunk. Mind, 40 years on the technology might reduce that somewhat, but physics is still against you. Trapezes are more fun than wings.

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What you need is a telescopic goose neck, one string to lengthen, when it reaches the optimum length, it articulates to allow boom to go further forward.
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Sailing by the lee may be faster but it doesn't make it right.  Wink
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Originally posted by Do Different

Sailing by the lee may be faster but it doesn't make it right.  Wink


Had another thought has a shroud ‘traveller’ arrangement ever been tried? So they move forward and aft as you rake the rig?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oatsandbeans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 21 at 7:36am
By braid I mean a rope with no cover - just the high strength core-doesn’t stretch and can be easily spliced back onto itself using a fid.
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Sailing by the Lee gives you more efficient "Lee bowing"
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