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    Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 12:11pm
I wonder if dinghy sailing in particular is too wedded to racing; no sooner is someone through the door than the talk is about "getting them racing".

Looking at a couple of other outdoor activities (I'm also not so sure we should keep calling sailing a sport) the growth from an outsiders (mine) point of view is it the non competitive areas. Park runs are expressly not races although people obviously do set personal goals. Cycling has been growing for a while and went mad this last 12 months, I doubt many of the new participants are going straight into racing.


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I think the recent Race and Ethinic Diparities Report has some relevance here. You can't just lump "ethnics" and diversity into one lump. On one hand it is a great ambition to give , for want of a better label, poor and underprivileged people an opportunity to go sailing but inner city unemployed youth and single mothers are   unlikely to be the bedrock of the future of sailing .Although some may, and good for them.
On the other hand, the tactics for getting an accountant of Indian origin to think of sailing rather than golf may be very different and may well involve sailing being more aspirational and elite.
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Not sure encouraging snobbery is the way to go. Wink LOL
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad


How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?


Stop thinking of them as 'minorities' for a start. The whole thing smacks of Patronising paternalism, people are just people and if we're lucky enough for one to walk through the door asking, then just be bothered to take interest.

Doesn't matter what shape or shade they are, sailing clubs can easily ignore all and any shape and shade if they're busy getting ready for a race or running one when someone comes up to the control box just as a bunch of lasers are approaching the line, they're going to get short shrift.

Think about it, we're all so pre occupied with doing it we really haven't got the time or interest to devote to newcomers.

Maybe we should set a day a week when we really only cater for beginners and new arrivals.

The problem is there really isn't any incentive, we can pretend there is, but really?

Which is why seriously clubs should have profit making schools attached to them, with the specific designation to teach people to actually do what we need them to do and not just to be taught sailing as nothing more than how to potter about in a boat.


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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Sussex Lad


How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?


Stop thinking of them as 'minorities' for a start. The whole thing smacks of Patronising paternalism, people are just people and if we're lucky enough for one to walk through the door asking, then just be bothered to take interest.



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Originally posted by Do Different

I wonder if dinghy sailing in particular is too wedded to racing; no sooner is someone through the door than the talk is about "getting them racing".

Looking at a couple of other outdoor activities (I'm also not so sure we should keep calling sailing a sport) the growth from an outsiders (mine) point of view is it the non competitive areas. Park runs are expressly not races although people obviously do set personal goals. Cycling has been growing for a while and went mad this last 12 months, I doubt many of the new participants are going straight into racing.

Exactly. Sailing doesn't have a discrimination problem it has a group polarisation problem. In clubs (and particularly on Y&Y) people assume 'sailing' and 'serious racing in privately owned boats' are interchangeable.

Bet that many people looking to learn to sail have some hope of it providing freedom and adventure. When they meet with the reality - the weekly drift round the same pond in disparate boats while the results are worked out by an arcane formula that everyone moans about - they quite rationally decide to go elsewhere.

This is as much part of the 'alternatives to sailing clubs' thread. Clubs are important, but maybe covid is a chance to reset and retreat from the narrow conception of the sport that presently exists.  


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Originally posted by Do Different

I wonder if dinghy sailing in particular is too wedded to racing; no sooner is someone through the door than the talk is about "getting them racing".

Club sailing definitely is wedded to racing... I've sailed dinghies since I was 11 and raced since I was 12, I'm also a long time windsurfer, taught myself to windsurf at 29, first raced at 30 and raced regularly until I started sailing dinghies again at 55. The point is that you don't need to join a club to do either but if you want to race then joining a club is undoubtedly the easiest route into that aspect of the sport.

Sailing, other than racing*, does not need any outside organisation you just take the boat to somewhere you can launch it and off you go so no need to join a club (and very few benefits to you if you do other than access to the water in some cases.
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Yes but that gets back to the problem, teaching sailing as a sport, rather than a pastime and what is it the RYA is chasing I wonder?

Our problem isn't anything to do with diversity imv it's more due to the educational system of late and lack of promotion of competition for fear of creating 'more losers than winners', so we just get a general lack of aspirants, of all groups.

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I'm not arguing with you Sam or anyone else for that matter. And it does vary hugely with the wide range of venues. On the very small inland waters perhaps there is little other than racing to hold interest but on larger lakes Clubs can have a role as a focal point for those people who are happy to potter or simply blatt about for an hour of fun. SUP is gaining popularity and largely uncompetitive,  although some will happily throw in and go many nowadays like a few facilities which clubs can provide and once through the door.............?



 


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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Sussex Lad


How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?
 

Stop thinking of them as 'minorities' for a start. The whole thing smacks of Patronising paternalism, people are just people and if we're lucky enough for one to walk through the door asking, then just be bothered to take interest. 

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