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    Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 4:06pm
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad


How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?


Stop thinking of them as 'minorities' for a start. The whole thing smacks of Patronising paternalism, people are just people and if we're lucky enough for one to walk through the door asking, then just be bothered to take interest.



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Originally posted by Sussex Lad


How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?


Stop thinking of them as 'minorities' for a start. The whole thing smacks of Patronising paternalism, people are just people and if we're lucky enough for one to walk through the door asking, then just be bothered to take interest.

Doesn't matter what shape or shade they are, sailing clubs can easily ignore all and any shape and shade if they're busy getting ready for a race or running one when someone comes up to the control box just as a bunch of lasers are approaching the line, they're going to get short shrift.

Think about it, we're all so pre occupied with doing it we really haven't got the time or interest to devote to newcomers.

Maybe we should set a day a week when we really only cater for beginners and new arrivals.

The problem is there really isn't any incentive, we can pretend there is, but really?

Which is why seriously clubs should have profit making schools attached to them, with the specific designation to teach people to actually do what we need them to do and not just to be taught sailing as nothing more than how to potter about in a boat.


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Not sure encouraging snobbery is the way to go. Wink LOL
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I think the recent Race and Ethinic Diparities Report has some relevance here. You can't just lump "ethnics" and diversity into one lump. On one hand it is a great ambition to give , for want of a better label, poor and underprivileged people an opportunity to go sailing but inner city unemployed youth and single mothers are   unlikely to be the bedrock of the future of sailing .Although some may, and good for them.
On the other hand, the tactics for getting an accountant of Indian origin to think of sailing rather than golf may be very different and may well involve sailing being more aspirational and elite.
A couple of Sikh doctor friends always drive silver Mercedes as it is considered very important to show that you have "made it".They would need to feel that a fireball in the driveway has the same cachet.
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I wonder if dinghy sailing in particular is too wedded to racing; no sooner is someone through the door than the talk is about "getting them racing".

Looking at a couple of other outdoor activities (I'm also not so sure we should keep calling sailing a sport) the growth from an outsiders (mine) point of view is it the non competitive areas. Park runs are expressly not races although people obviously do set personal goals. Cycling has been growing for a while and went mad this last 12 months, I doubt many of the new participants are going straight into racing.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 11:47am
Originally posted by 423zero

Two simplistic replies to a complex issue.


Yes it's a complex issue but those two replies point at two factors that contribute to the problem.

At risk of being too simplistic it seems that the problem can be divided into two separate issues:

How do we alter the sport image, making it more appealing to minorities. How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door?

How do we alter things in the club house to make them want to stay?
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Two simplistic replies to a complex issue.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 10:42am
Yes. There is a state of thinking called delusional elitism, often found in conservative groups, resistant to change even at the expense of hindering their own futures.
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^ that type of stereotyping is exactly what the RYA need to overcome...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 9:52am
No good quoting robotic nations like Sweden or Japan etc, British people tend to not like being told what to do, we need to find a way that works with our national character.
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