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Paramedic 
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No, because they WANT to participate. There is a difference between facilitating enthusiastic people taking part and trying to force disinterested people into it.
Please see earlier posts for my take on how this has gone for us. Edited by Paramedic - 04 Apr 21 at 11:05am |
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Daniel Holman
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Posted: 04 Apr 21 at 9:38pm |
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Its all about equal opportunities. People can take opportunities or pass up on them as they see fit, but we should strive where possible to have equal opportunities. By way of an example back when I was studying there were maybe 5 - 10% women on the engineering courses at my university, Nav Arch being no different. Maybe its more equal today. Engineering has and probably still has something of a blokey image. Unlike childbirth or average size and strength, there is no reason why a woman would be more or less capable at engineering, all things being equal. Its mostly maths and physics and judgement. I think. Imagine my suprise when later in life I travel to Norway where it seems that every other Nav Arch is a nice Lady. Is the culture different in secondary education? Are there more or better role models? Is engineering "marketed" better to girls in Scandinavia? Why different? I don't think there can be any other reason behind it. I abhor quota filling and targets as a way to "acheieve" equality but the other way i.e. building or changing culture, opportunities, good role models etc takes time and effort. By the same token, and it goes back to the quote filling - I think its simplistic and condascending to think that all humans of all ethnicities genders and persuasions should like all leisure pursuits in equal proportion. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 04 Apr 21 at 10:04pm |
Years ago, back in the early Seventies, I had a lot of 'friends' from Sweden, mostly girls, came to our town intially because it was a language training centre, and some stayed to work for us, we had a Printing and Graphics business back then, we also had students from St Gallen a Swiss centre for Graphic design. To a T, all of them were surprised at the old fashioned attitude still prevalent towards British females in the workplace, it's in our culture, a Victorian hangover. Scandanavians had a much more equal opportunistic outlook even back then. I have four daughters, they work in the City, it's still as bad as it ever was, in this country females face more discrimination than ethnic minoritys imv. |
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Do Different
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Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 5:56am |
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The two person three sail single wire class I sail has a few mixed crews. Although of British origin the class is possibly stronger in Holland than here and when we see our European friends the number of mixed crews is even more striking, also all female teams not unknown.
I don't know but I doubt there are gender quotas in Holland, it would suggest the British culture is way behind and as a result missing out badly. Funnily enough it is hard to explain as a social class failing. Through my teenage years and into my twenties I was pretty immersed in horses and ponies. I hasten to add I'm far from a toff, simply a rural kid who began mucking out stables for pocket money. Anyone could be forgiven for thinking the horsey scene to be very "old school" but as far as I ever saw it was completely gender blind.
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davidyacht
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I would suggest that at least part of the issue with equality of sexes and race are driven by a lack of expectation and are generational, I know of people who were discouraged from going to grammar school or university by their parents because it is “not what we do”, education is the best opportunity to break out of racial and gender stereotyping in my opinion. The same could be said to be said of sports such as sailing, many children get involved in sailing and other sports to improve their personal statements for university, and others take on sports such as sailing through university. Not saying this is the complete picture but it is part.
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423zero
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Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 9:52am |
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No good quoting robotic nations like Sweden or Japan etc, British people tend to not like being told what to do, we need to find a way that works with our national character.
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Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 10:27am |
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^ that type of stereotyping is exactly what the RYA need to overcome...
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Do Different
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Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 10:42am |
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Yes. There is a state of thinking called delusional elitism, often found in conservative groups, resistant to change even at the expense of hindering their own futures.
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423zero
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Posted: 05 Apr 21 at 10:47am |
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Two simplistic replies to a complex issue.
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Sussex Lad
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Yes it's a complex issue but those two replies point at two factors that contribute to the problem. At risk of being too simplistic it seems that the problem can be divided into two separate issues: How do we alter the sport image, making it more appealing to minorities. How to get them interested? How do we get minorities through the door? How do we alter things in the club house to make them want to stay? |
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