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    Posted: 03 Apr 21 at 2:57pm
Unless you are a white privileged middle class male in a relationship with a woman. Then the state may legally positively discriminately against you.  


Many years ago I was at a court case and the chief superintendent of Devon and Cornwall and we were having a chat in a break. He was explaining that he had just had ethic quota's imposed on his force. And that he was unable to fill the quota from his area as there were so few ethnic minority's in the county's so literally had to import people that fitted his quota. What I hate about these type of documents is your ethnic makeup of the community in say Leeds is going to be somewhat different to say Clacton, so forcing a club to go and find x number of this race or sex will be over subscribed in one area and the other will never succeed and likely be penalized for non compliance. LTSC is about the whitest demographic area you could want to find and yet they do great work with Scaramouche sailing trust. In this day and age does anyone care what color or sex you are apart from the media ?
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Originally posted by Sailerf

Unless you are a white privileged middle class male in a relationship with a woman. Then the state may legally positively discriminately against you.  


Many years ago I was at a court case and the chief superintendent of Devon and Cornwall and we were having a chat in a break. He was explaining that he had just had ethic quota's imposed on his force. And that he was unable to fill the quota from his area as there were so few ethnic minority's in the county's so literally had to import people that fitted his quota. What I hate about these type of documents is your ethnic makeup of the community in say Leeds is going to be somewhat different to say Clacton, so forcing a club to go and find x number of this race or sex will be over subscribed in one area and the other will never succeed and likely be penalized for non compliance. LTSC is about the whitest demographic area you could want to find and yet they do great work with Scaramouche sailing trust. In this day and age does anyone care what color or sex you are apart from the media ?


[citation required] ref policing

the Met has been recently told  that   it should  increase it's intake  of BAME  officers  to match the  community it serves  - as the Met has a significant  Ethnicity 'gap'  ( iirc the met as something like  12 or 15 % BAME officers, but  the MPD area's population is  approximately  one third  BAME   and various of the London boroughs  are  well in excess of that  
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I Didn't get the first paragraph? (how lucky that poster gets his paragraphs, mine all get lumped). My rough interpretation, is, there is a statute that states, Middle class white heterosexual couples are exempt from discrimination?

Edited by 423zero - 03 Apr 21 at 7:18pm
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I'm not sure the RYA is setting quotas? Interesting concept, will the RYA enforcement officers be visiting every club to check up on us, too?
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Originally posted by NicolaJayne

 
[citation required] ref policing

the Met has been recently told  that   it should  increase it's intake  of BAME  officers  to match the  community it serves  - as the Met has a significant  Ethnicity 'gap'  ( iirc the met as something like  12 or 15 % BAME officers, but  the MPD area's population is  approximately  one third  BAME   and various of the London boroughs  are  well in excess of that  




You see I don't like this.

1) What do you do if people who match this criteria (I loathe the term BAME, I think its borderline racist in itself and will be banned in ten years time) do not want to do the job? Are the people imposing this aware that in some parts of the world the role of a police officer is around or lower than the social standing of the people who clean out your toilet? Roadsweepers and bin men do a vital job, but if one of your children expressed an ambition to be one I don't think you'd be too happy, and family pressure plays a huge role in eastern and southern Asian culture. Thats not going to change, at least not overnight.

2) How many potentially very good officers are you turning away because of religion, skin colour or where their ancestors originate? Isn't this precisely what this "process" is trying to avoid? Are we saying that we actually don't want the very best candidates possible policing our streets?

3) Applied to sailing there is the saying that you can take the horse to water but you cant force it to drink. We can offer opportunities, but if ANYONE doesn't want to continue we cant force them to.

Positive discrimination is applied by only the most ignorant people. They have seen that certain people don't "do" something and decide that they must do it and it must be "our" fault that they do not. They don't look into the reasons why they don't do it and not being interested isn't an acceptable excuse.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I'm not sure the RYA is setting quotas? Interesting concept, will the RYA enforcement officers be visiting every club to check up on us, too?

That would have been a good headline a couple of days ago  LOL
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Originally posted by Paramedic

 

Positive discrimination is applied by only the most ignorant people. They have seen that certain people don't "do" something and decide that they must do it and it must be "our" fault that they do not. They don't look into the reasons why they don't do it and not being interested isn't an acceptable excuse.

This is NOT the definition of Positive Discrimination and you have twisted the scenario to suit your narrative. I dont know why we want to tear down the initiative the RYA has set itself. A peculairly British habit ...


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Originally posted by Chris_H

This is NOT the definition of Positive Discrimination and you have twisted the scenario to suit your narrative. I dont know why we want to tear down the initiative the RYA has set itself. A peculairly British habit ...

I wasn't aware that the MET police were setting the RYA targets. Please read the post again - I know that the formatting doesn't help.

However I dont agree with positive discrimination and I do see it as a trap we don't particularly want to fall into because 1) Its wrong and 2) it wastes hours and hours of volunteer time. 

Volunteer time is a precious resource.

I have spent years and years working in the public sector and have seen positive discrimination at its worst.


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Originally posted by Paramedic

 

However I dont agree with positive discrimination and I do see it as a trap we don't particularly want to fall into because 1) Its wrong and 2) it wastes hours and hours of volunteer time. 


So you disagreed with the positive discrimation in recent VOR's to have a % of women crew and then these amazing women went on to better things, something that would not have happened otherwise? The path to the top for some, and even entry to sport itself, sometimes needs a push and a positive effort on  our part


Edited by Chris_H - 04 Apr 21 at 8:44am
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