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    Posted: 04 Apr 21 at 7:37am
I'm not sure the RYA is setting quotas? Interesting concept, will the RYA enforcement officers be visiting every club to check up on us, too?
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I Didn't get the first paragraph? (how lucky that poster gets his paragraphs, mine all get lumped). My rough interpretation, is, there is a statute that states, Middle class white heterosexual couples are exempt from discrimination?

Edited by 423zero - 03 Apr 21 at 7:18pm
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Originally posted by Sailerf

Unless you are a white privileged middle class male in a relationship with a woman. Then the state may legally positively discriminately against you.  


Many years ago I was at a court case and the chief superintendent of Devon and Cornwall and we were having a chat in a break. He was explaining that he had just had ethic quota's imposed on his force. And that he was unable to fill the quota from his area as there were so few ethnic minority's in the county's so literally had to import people that fitted his quota. What I hate about these type of documents is your ethnic makeup of the community in say Leeds is going to be somewhat different to say Clacton, so forcing a club to go and find x number of this race or sex will be over subscribed in one area and the other will never succeed and likely be penalized for non compliance. LTSC is about the whitest demographic area you could want to find and yet they do great work with Scaramouche sailing trust. In this day and age does anyone care what color or sex you are apart from the media ?


[citation required] ref policing

the Met has been recently told  that   it should  increase it's intake  of BAME  officers  to match the  community it serves  - as the Met has a significant  Ethnicity 'gap'  ( iirc the met as something like  12 or 15 % BAME officers, but  the MPD area's population is  approximately  one third  BAME   and various of the London boroughs  are  well in excess of that  
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What utter tosh 
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Unless you are a white privileged middle class male in a relationship with a woman. Then the state may legally positively discriminately against you.  


Many years ago I was at a court case and the chief superintendent of Devon and Cornwall and we were having a chat in a break. He was explaining that he had just had ethic quota's imposed on his force. And that he was unable to fill the quota from his area as there were so few ethnic minority's in the county's so literally had to import people that fitted his quota. What I hate about these type of documents is your ethnic makeup of the community in say Leeds is going to be somewhat different to say Clacton, so forcing a club to go and find x number of this race or sex will be over subscribed in one area and the other will never succeed and likely be penalized for non compliance. LTSC is about the whitest demographic area you could want to find and yet they do great work with Scaramouche sailing trust. In this day and age does anyone care what color or sex you are apart from the media ?
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Posts: 109 		Post Options Post Options   Quote NicolaJayne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 21 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by Sussex Lad

It's illegal to actively discriminate and you cannot legislate against thought.  

zero, have you ever noticed cliques forming at the club?  Sub groups? Imagine being permanently on the outside of all of them.

exactly 
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

Exclusivity is a growing trend in the wider world ATM. The sport of sailing is just following that trend within it's own boundaries and in it's own way. This forum was vastly more tollerant 15 years ago with a vastly more inclusive feel. Sadly, various sub groups that were minorities within the forum got picked on or ignored. Bigoted views and bullying insults were seen as being vaguely acceptable (if rationalised as banter).....why should they stay and be insulted? There were other less hidebound places to go and chat.........All that occurs on here is just a reflection of the wider sport. There are still some with inclusive attitudes hanging on in there because they love sitting in boats on the water but they are getting fewer and fewer. I suspect the RYA realise what the problem is with falling membership but they haven't got a clue how to change it. How to make an organisation more inclusive without destroying everything the remaining diehards hold so dear?

I don't believe they can do it until the wider environment becomes less frightened and more inclusive........

Totally agree with all of the above . 
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 21 at 1:21pm
Peaky, I am not going to attempt to justify my clubs efforts regarding Attracting new members, because clearly having not attracted any is proof it was no good, you have criticised us, presumably your clubs efforts have worked, could you let me know, I will then pass it on to my club.
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Originally posted by 423zero

I am thinking more along the lines of RYA positive discrimination documents, seems like a solution looking for a problem.
I have a group of friends, other members have their group of friends, we all work together for the club, can't see issues with that, their are members I dislike, got no intention of discriminating against them.


If you like some folk less and choose not to have them as friends you are by definition discriminating and it will almost certainly effect your behaviour towards them. We all do it.

We all discriminate and we all belong to one clique or another.

If we do it because of behaviour then this isn't really anyone else's business. If we do it to somebody because of an attribute that they can't be reasonably expected to change then it becomes a problem.

There are lots of organisations that now have processes in place to satisfy the law or to qualify for a badge. 








Edited by Sussex Lad - 02 Apr 21 at 2:28pm
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You may not be discouraging anyone but are you actively encouraging them? To sit in your club wondering why no one joins is not a great strategy. Positively seeking new membership might require doing something. Not many non-white sailors in the adverts on the right hand side of this page for example.
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