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    Posted: 28 Mar 21 at 5:33pm
The percentage of white people who do water sports, sailing will be a tiny percentage, kayaking probably largest percentage, then you have all the other sports, swimming, surfing, rowing (could be lower percentage than sailing?).
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I don't see it that way, those incomprehensible* figures in the report suggest that ethnic minority participation in boating more or less matches the percentages of said minorities in the general population, strangely with white and black participation being below and mixed and asian being slightly above that percentage.

It's a bit like saying we must get 50% ethnic minorities sailing even though only around 15% of the population belongs to an ethnic minority in the UK?

* Unless I'm misinterpreting the figures, that guess above is based on the best I can interpret them, 


"Boating" covers a whole world of activities, most of which I have had no experience so can't comment.

Perhaps I should have specified but in my experience of marinas and sailing clubs the evidence of my own eyes differs vastly from your interpretation of those figures......and I do appreciate that the figures aren't that easy to fathom. Written by Jim Hackers under secretary perhaps. LOL


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Originally posted by Wetabix

You may go up to anyone in your club who has a bigger boat than yours and demand to be allowed to sail it. 

Could you possibly point me at the specific paragraph that says this please? My boat is quite small and I'd like to take advantage of this splendid idea.
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I don't see it that way, those incomprehensible* figures in the report suggest that ethnic minority participation in boating more or less matches the percentages of said minorities in the general population, strangely with white and black participation being below and mixed and asian being slightly above that percentage.

It's a bit like saying we must get 50% ethnic minorities sailing even though only around 15% of the population belongs to an ethnic minority in the UK?

* Unless I'm misinterpreting the figures, that guess above is based on the best I can interpret them, 


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Originally posted by iGRF



Our best bet to attract new members is to appeal to those of our age and demographic


Precisely, and that's the silent conclusion most clubs have come to. There is a good level of box ticking tokenism going on but in the end the image of the sport prevails, it remains exclusive rather than inclusive. There is not the will to change it, not at club level and not at RYA level. The sport of sailing is almost a complete monoculture of attitudes and is the poorer for it imo
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The thing is, it's a grown up person with a few responsibilitys, or their kids sort of sport, hell I didn't even consider it until I was sixty and in our household, the four daughters of darkness have dated every kind of ethnic types that are available down the years and I've tried to teach all of them the path of true righteousness mostly to no avail, save one who took up kitesurfing before he moved back home to Oman and now offers cruisng catamaran trips to tourists.

I've got a future father of my grandkids, he's a fishbotherer/golfer, I'm even considering going back to a double hander to try and get him on board, but it's not even remotely on his radar, you can see, he's being polite, "yes love to" he says, whist inwardly groaning at what he's having to do to plcate the father inlaw.

The other one is a German based power trader, the time I took him out in the club Vision with my thirds boyfriend of the moment, they both put their wetsuits on back to front, then demonstrated how they can't even change the wheel on my van later that night, they're snowflakes, all of them, it's nothing to do with diversity something in the way they've been exposed to life has changed and they don't seem to crave the same sense or need for actual adventure rather than the onscreen version, we did.

Our best bet to attract new members is to appeal to those of our age and demographic that haven't tried sailboat racing. Mature Empty nesters, they've got the cash,and the time, it just needs a bit of marketing to get them to give it a try. Sell it as three dimensional chess that would change their lives. Hold a six week course, better still sell them a course which includes a boat in the price then they're committed.

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Elitism is impossible to eliminate from a competitive sports club. Any sport where participants are either winners or losers is elitist by definition and will attract folk who have a need to prove they are better than others. The same people are more likely to go on to run the operation It's in the nature of all competitive sport......I'm quite competitive myself so not excluding myself although I'll never be allowed anywhere near a committee room.;-)

This isn't a dig, it's a fact.

All that can be done is to eliminate the elitism in other areas of the institution. Try to eliminate it in how the club is run, how the RYA is run etc. (A tall order IMO and sadly undoable)

EDIT for clarity: I'm talking about perceptions in this para and not necessarily the reality:
The name "Royal Yachting Association" smacks of elitism. I would guess most ethnic minorities would view this as a White Elitist organisation. Following the interview with Megan I would likely include the word racist (not necessarily my perception but likely to be the perception of minorities now). The hierarchy in most clubs smacks of the old days of white imperialism, titles like Commodores, Rear Commodores, Bosun etc.

Most in the sport of sailing are not ready for these kinds of considerations. Being white middle class I can cope with it but if the sport wants to be more diverse, it's the perceptions of the wider, more diverse population that have to be  considered. Image is everything.

It would be nice to leave the elitism for the races, try and reduce it everywhere else but that ain't going to happen IMO



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Originally posted by 423zero

My club would welcome ideas on how we can encourage people to sail, ANY people, our membership is in decline year on year.

At the moment it's a case of getting through this crisis and back to where you were before it started.

If you can get close to that you have something to build from. 

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Originally posted by Rupert

Addressing the lack of diversity and inclusion isn't misguided

The thing is what actually is it they we are supposed to do?

Short of abducting people off the street, sticking them in a boat and sailing them round for an hour I cant really see what we can do. The open days that we did seemed to me to be very forced and almost patronising. I'm absolutely 100% certain that they were done with the best of intentions but what did we achieve other than ticking a box? Nothing.

This is why I don't like positive discrimination used in this manner (Or actually at all).

Now the youth and junior system at the club with no pushing whatsoever is very diverse, but for some reason this hasn't been (I need to stop using present tense as things are obviously very different to how they were 12 months ago) seen as good enough either. Maybe we need to do a better job of pushing that it happens?


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All good points and ones I agree with iGRF. 

WRT dinghy sailing being elitist, IMHO nothing could be further from the truth*, the problem is that, to a large percentage of the non-sailing population, dinghy sailing is elitist. 

* Club membership is not expensive at most grass roots clubs, most have boats that can be borrowed by members and serviceable old boats can be bought for little more than a tank of fuel (and much less than the cost of a new iPhone).


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