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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The chances of lawyers getting involved are?!
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Totally agree , Jim
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Don't forget that the Laser Performance boats will have different sail emblems to Laser Performance boats. It's pretty silly, but not a disaster. ILCA were sensible in picking a new logo that cannot possibly be confused.
I suggest that if what World Sailing had to say to the Sunfish Association is any guide, the chances of TLC getting WS recognition is somewhere between zero and zero. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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What happens if WS recognise TLC? They have respected sailing people in their organisation.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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That confusion must already have started as both are selling new boats but it'll only apply to a modest number of boats, equal to those sold by LPE, and those will be disallowed from entering ILCA or WS sanctioned events.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Hearing will be November 2020. TLC state numbering will continue in order, if ILCA do the same could be confusing in the big opens.
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But these aren’t the same class, they just look the same🤣
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Of course I could. So could you. I'd have to be careful not to infringe on the Laser Trademark, but that's not very hard if you aren't trading. The rights that come with a Trademark are powerful, but very limited, as Banksy recently found out when he tried to abuse the trademark system. I could apply to World Sailing for recognition too, nothing stops me doing that either. Getting World Sailing to actually recognise my association might be harder, because when LP tried the fake Class Association game with the Sunfish WS made it quite clear they weren't going to recognise two associations for the same class. Edited by JimC - 10 Oct 20 at 3:27pm |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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TLC have applied to World Sailing for recognition.
I have affinity with their view, stick with the original 'Laser', people who aren't happy with original can drop out of the class and design a boat they think 'Laser' should be, go to a more modern boat, 'Aero' for instance. |
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You could certainly start a legitimate class that included Laser dinghies, but you probably couldn’t call it a Laser class. You could, for example, start a class that incorporated any 14ft single single dinghy. If enough Lasers, Solos and Aeros joined you may even have a success! I’m not a LP apologist. I don’t believe rival classes is good for the sport. But TLC shouldn’t be dismissed as illegitimate, fraudulent or fake. They have every moral and legal right to exist, and branding rights covering territories populated by 99% of the global population. There are no good guys in this mess, and they have all created chaos for sure!
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