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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I moved some of my posts from the RRS 78 topic as they seem to sit better here...
TLC appear to be supported financially or at least given administrative support by LP Llc or a related company. I think someone spotted their domain registration matched a LP one. Heini Wellman has not to my knowledge held a position within World Sailing, but he is the most recent past president of ILCA. He's certainly worked long and hard for the Laser class in the past as well as winning a masters Worlds. He's one of a number of EurILCA officers who were very unhappy about ditching Laser Performance. It is, I imagine, almost inevitable that senior class officers would have a good relationship with their local builders, but the claim is that LP had not served the americas well, so they were left only having friends in Europe. The UKLA seems to have steered clear of the politics and concentrated on doing the day to day work. One should note, with TLC membership, that it's free, and there were some interesting to Laser sailors videos posted which required people to sign up.
I can start a Laser class too, but I wouldn't say that makes it legitimate. As (then) recent past president of the UK Cherub class maybe I should have started a new CA when the majority of the committee and the class membership decided to make some rule changes I didn't like. TLCs builder isn't allowed to sell boats with the Laser sail logo or branding in a significant chunk of the world either. All parties have sure created chaos between them. Edited by JimC - 10 Oct 20 at 1:47pm |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I haven't seen any allegations of poor quality build from ILCA sources. They have stated in public that it was simply that Laser Performance Llc (LPE are effectively history) had repeatedly refused to honour their contractual obligation to allow inspections. It's hard to know what the cause of the deteriorating relationship with ILCA was. It was, after all, not so very long ago that ILCA changed the class rules to enable LPE (as the builder then was) to continue building plaqued Lasers after LPE stopped honouring their contracts with the design owner. I think there's been something of a changing of the guard within ILCA though. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Maybe "no further sacrifice of quality"?
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Chris_H ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237 |
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I note on TheLaserClass site the phrase "However, this does not mean any sacrifice of quality"
I thought that one of the reasons for the breakdown in relations between ILCA and LPE was exactly down to variable quality issues (mast pot variation etc) at LPE and their refusal to let ILCA inspect/verify/approve the build process? Have they improved the build quality since?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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www.thelaserclass.com
they are looking for another builder, presumably due to FRAND, ambitions to take Olympic crown from ILCA.
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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But if World Sailing wants a more inclusive Olympics could the alternatively select the LP Laser ( this isn’t supposed to be a sensible comment)
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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Surely 95% of the LP boats will go to schools and holiday venues so it won't be a problem for 2-3 years when they get replaced?
And by then there will be a different boat in the Olympic slot and many of the fast guys will be swapping classes anyway. And I didn't mention the A word! |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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We hate LP, we will show them, two new builders and they can 'do one' Hello LP here, can we advertise our 'Lasers' and bits on your UKLA class association? Of course, we could do with the money, just keep your crap boats out of our faces Grrr
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Chris_H ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237 |
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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer still ?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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LP are actually advertising on UKLA website
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