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    Posted: 07 Oct 20 at 11:09am
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I think it will be hard for them to find grounds to refuse given theft they are Lasers. LPE are contravening no laws, IP rights, trade marks or patents by building and selling the boats.

You can enter as an Laser but not an ILCA. Once has a recognised international CA and class rules one doesn't.....

No reason to stop them entering but distinguishing would be needed even if they lumped the 2 together for the purposed of  'fleet' results.

TBF I don't think anybody entering a LPE Laser is going to be claiming it is an ILCA. I'll be interesting to see if the RYA asks clubs to distinguish between Laser/ILCA and LPE Laser in the returns.

You say that but many people are still totally ignorant of the current mess. I don't think most people would knowingly do it though.
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Originally posted by jeffers

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I think it will be hard for them to find grounds to refuse given theft they are Lasers. LPE are contravening no laws, IP rights, trade marks or patents by building and selling the boats.

You can enter as an Laser but not an ILCA. Once has a recognised international CA and class rules one doesn't.....

No reason to stop them entering but distinguishing would be needed even if they lumped the 2 together for the purposed of  'fleet' results.

TBF I don't think anybody entering a LPE Laser is going to be claiming it is an ILCA. I'll be interesting to see if the RYA asks clubs to distinguish between Laser/ILCA and LPE Laser in the returns.


You say that but many people are still totally ignorant of the current mess. I don't think most people would knowingly do it though.

You are right there, I've been trying to follow this but am non the wiser as to what is what


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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

TBF I don't think anybody entering a LPE Laser is going to be claiming it is an ILCA. I'll be interesting to see if the RYA asks clubs to distinguish between Laser/ILCA and LPE Laser in the returns.

You say that but many people are still totally ignorant of the current mess. I don't think most people would knowingly do it though.

Yes, that's true, but I'd expect most sailors keen enough to enter SailJuice series events would be aware of the situation with ILCA and LPE. Bound to be some who don't though, and the odd one simply trying it on...
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Laser = ILCA ... this will be the reality for years to come ... anyone trying to separate them out in all but the most serious of championships will be p***ing in the wind.
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Originally posted by L123456

Laser = ILCA ... this will be the reality for years to come ... anyone trying to separate them out in all but the most serious of championships will be p***ing in the wind.

Disagree. ILCA have become blinkered arrogant bullies. The great unwashed will vote with their limited wallets


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Laser = ILCA ... this will be the reality for years to come ... anyone trying to separate them out in all but the most serious of championships will be p***ing in the wind.

Disagree. ILCA have become blinkered arrogant bullies. The great unwashed will vote with their limited wallets

How is introducing competitive builders and choice for sailors bullying? Its a requirement of the 5 ringed circus that they are FRAND compliant meaning the monopoly supply that LPE had in the US and Europe needed to end.
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Funny how the price goes up with competitive builders, even when the product is supposed to be identical. I guessing that like Oppies, Finns and the like buyers will pay a premium for the supposedly faster boats rather than anything being price driven. This for boats with a plaque, of course.
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Originally posted by L123456

Laser = ILCA ... this will be the reality for years to come ... anyone trying to separate them out in all but the most serious of championships will be p***ing in the wind.

Totally agree. ILCA have done the best they can in the face of one of the three original builders not wanting to follow contracts and attempting a power grab on one side and the forces of WS on the other .
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Such a fuss over a small nasty piece of plastic. Sorry. No not really.
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Originally posted by Oinks

Such a fuss over a small nasty piece of plastic. Sorry. No not really.


Think you mean iconic piece of sporting equipment that was a game changing design.

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