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    Posted: 06 Oct 20 at 11:18pm
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The interesting thought about LP LlCs predatory pricing,is whether in practice most Laser sales, at least to corporates, were discounted to that sort of level anyway.   .


I can't remember the exact date but it was back in the financial crisis recession, they were being piled high and sold cheap at the Southampton Boat show one year when we were working there, they were around three grand from memory then.
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Originally posted by JimC

How many ’ordinary club sailors’ bought new boats anyway? The majority that I've come across went to folks who were racing at at least major circuit events and usually National and International. Which is a pretty fair sized number if you think about it. Anyway those folks will surely want one with the right placque, whilst corporate buyers with no desire to have their boats off site may go the other way.

The interesting thought about LP LlCs predatory pricing,is whether in practice most Laser sales, at least to corporates, were discounted to that sort of level anyway.   .

Ay my little puddle we have seen 3 new class compliant (to satisfy the snowflakes) boats in the last 12 months. Other have boats which are used but still only a few years old.

So the answer is more than you think.
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Originally posted by JimC

The interesting thought about LP LlCs predatory pricing,is whether in practice most Laser sales, at least to corporates, were discounted to that sort of level anyway.   .

The inkjet cartridge pricing model makes massive sense in a class like a laser, and there can be little doubt that the markup on things like sails and spars in percentage terms must have been significantly larger than on the hull.

Going forward LPE are not going to have that boost and you wonder how sustainable their price for the boat can be? 
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So what's the deal with SailJuice series events.... will Farzad boats be allowed to sail as 'Lasers' or not?
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Going forward LPE are not going to have that boost and you wonder how sustainable their price for the boat can be?

If non sustainable they will not survive - conversally if  'alternatives' are blatantly over-priced ditto for that version.  The model that LPE are likely to pursue is of  'excellent value' and go for club level and institutional volume sales.  The ILCA model no doubt will stress their 'circus' credentials - after all something like £3k extra is 'well worth it' surely ?!  However if in the next decade sailing gets dropped from the Olympics or possibly the ILCA boat gets replaced while sailing is retained it is doomed.   Personally I'd lean in the direction of the volume model that is less vulnerable to critical decisons made by other organisations.   So if ILCA prices start getting discounted you can draw your own conclusions as to exactly how their commercial model and sentiment are developing !!


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I think it will be hard for them to find grounds to refuse given theft they are Lasers. LPE are contravening no laws, IP rights, trade marks or patents by building and selling the boats.
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http://eurilca.org/ready-for-2020-senior-europeans-gdansk/
Almost 300 boats, is this first ILCA event?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I think it will be hard for them to find grounds to refuse given theft they are Lasers. LPE are contravening no laws, IP rights, trade marks or patents by building and selling the boats.

You can enter as an Laser but not an ILCA. Once has a recognised international CA and class rules one doesn't.....

No reason to stop them entering but distinguishing would be needed even if they lumped the 2 together for the purposed of  'fleet' results.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I think it will be hard for them to find grounds to refuse given theft they are Lasers. LPE are contravening no laws, IP rights, trade marks or patents by building and selling the boats.

You can enter as an Laser but not an ILCA. Once has a recognised international CA and class rules one doesn't.....

No reason to stop them entering but distinguishing would be needed even if they lumped the 2 together for the purposed of  'fleet' results.

TBF I don't think anybody entering a LPE Laser is going to be claiming it is an ILCA. I'll be interesting to see if the RYA asks clubs to distinguish between Laser/ILCA and LPE Laser in the returns.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 20 at 11:03am
And if they did, then it’s logical to assume the one sold to squaddies and travellers would perform better, therefore have a lower PN than the grunt boat for weekend warriors... so you get a better handicap with a Rastegar boat? Grumpf will have a field day....

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