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    Posted: 06 Oct 20 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by iGRF

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At club level £3.5k for an LPE replica is interesting but personally I don't think I could overlook the ethics of sailing a counterfeit.


Sailing a counterfeit?
So you don't worry at all about the 'ethics' of World Sailing in all this?
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Not really, I'm not that interested in and have no control over WS. On the other hand I do have control over what boat I sail on my local pond, and I have no desire to sail anything that has any connection with Mr Babyfingers.  Otherwise I agree with Cirrus, this is all such a shame for those of us who have had so much pleasure out of these little boats. 
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Originally posted by Cirrus

Blimey - surely we should leave the 'family' to their own internal quables and look at something a bit more interesting than this wretched shambles now.  History is not on the side of any organisation or individuals so distracted from reality. 

Darwin got it right .... Adapt or die and forget about any previous glories or your versions of them, they are all very soon forgotton and unimportant.   

The Laser concept was a disrupting one when it first emerged and had a revolutionary effect on the sector.  I even owned a string of 6 of them way back, and was a strong advocate for the class then.   It is all so disappointing now.   There must have been short of adults in the room when this self-inflicted decline started and they are still at it today.   In a regular company any independent shareholders would have sold out long ago when they realised they were wasting their time as much as their money.


Talk about re-arranging the deckchairs .... !!

Agree entirely. Though the average club/school/holiday company punter couldnt care and just wants the cheapest new boat possible, and will go the LPE route IMHO.

All involved parties to this farcical mess (ILCA/LPE mainly, though their are others) should hang their heads in shame.
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I just wonder why a club sailor would buy a new Laser given the number available used. What is the benefit of having a new one; update a used one with new bits and a decent sail - why not do that?
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Originally posted by epicfail

I just wonder why a club sailor would buy a new Laser given the number available used. What is the benefit of having a new one; update a used one with new bits and a decent sail - why not do that?

Coz they can Wink. No different to buying a new car. Shiny new toy. Does the same as the old toy  LOL
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  ......update a used one with new bits and a decent sail - why not do that?

Absolutely if that is what still might fire you up....But do you get any necessary spares or upgrades from the ILCA or LPE coordinated suppliers ? ... now let me ponder that one for a while.   The hull is still 'legal' in either 'code' as it was from 'earlier times'.  OK so far - you could sail in either 'code' legally - but you still  need some spares right  ... Are they, each and every fitting marked as purist LPE or ILCA ? So who do you buy bits and pieces from - without the self-appointed boat Stazi getting all worked up ?  ... and who on earth, at club level, is really going to police it ?   Total FARCE in the making...

Ah must be the 'School of unintended consequences' out at play once again.....and out to cane the simply dumb.   As if there were not more important things to deal with in life.   


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The use of the word Laser and the use of the word Legal in the same sentance should be banned.

This is alliteration gone crazy giving something spurious authority and distorting the perceptions of users.

Compliant seems a better word to me
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Originally posted by Riv

The use of the word Laser and the use of the word Legal in the same sentance should be banned.

This is alliteration gone crazy giving something spurious authority and distorting the perceptions of users.

Compliant seems a better word to me

Interesting that the LPE XD Laser at £3,985 is supplied with a ‘class legal Mk II sail’  (the sketch on the website even has a red button). Clearly their lawyers where all over the wording. The top mast is described as composite, not sure it is compliant to any thing. 
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https://laserperformance.uk/collections/laser/products/laser-radial-class-compliant-sail
This is only sail you can't use on a ILCA.
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Originally posted by epicfail

I just wonder why a club sailor would buy a new Laser given the number available used. What is the benefit of having a new one; update a used one with new bits and a decent sail - why not do that?

warranty

you know that a 16st bum hasn't been working those decks in tacks and pummelling the cockpit floor.

But I agree, the right used one - even quite old - is now a good buy
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How many ’ordinary club sailors’ bought new boats anyway? The majority that I've come across went to folks who were racing at at least major circuit events and usually National and International. Which is a pretty fair sized number if you think about it. Anyway those folks will surely want one with the right placque, whilst corporate buyers with no desire to have their boats off site may go the other way.

The interesting thought about LP LlCs predatory pricing,is whether in practice most Laser sales, at least to corporates, were discounted to that sort of level anyway.   .
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