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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Just to add, on Laser performance website, there is a photo of three Lasers and they are numbered one, two and three.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Sailing a counterfeit? So you don't worry at all about the 'ethics' of World Sailing in all this? I thought the common feeling about WS is that they're right up there with FIFA on the 'ethics' front, and even from reading this thread, it's fairly obvious not all is right given the reaction from the Italians (not that I'm holding italians up as the last bastion of ethics) when all you want is a nice familiar little boat that lots of others sail to race around your local puddle on a sunday morning? Give me the counterfeit and knowing what I do know about the machinations and corruption at the top level of sailing governance down the years, my conscience will be clear as crystal. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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The figures for sales are on here somewhere in a recent thread, sure its something like 5 boats a week for Aero and several hundreds for LPE Laser, this was UK figures, so hardly similar sales.
LPE Laser is only a replica to UKLA, Laser/LPE have their own class, not a replica to them. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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How are LPE numbering their Lasers? The can't be consecutive with the last "World Sailing approved' Lasers as they would them be sharing numbers with the first ILCA dinghies...
I believe the number used to be moulded into the gel coat under the bow towing eye. Edited by Sam.Spoons - 06 Oct 20 at 11:50am |
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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There are loads of abandoned Laser hulls sat in most dinghy parks.
Other than by applying honesty and decency do you think that the desperate removing the plaque and sticking it on a current Laser can be prevented ? Having had 4 lasers over the years I should know if the number is marked elsewhere. |
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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The market will decide if ILCA/Laser 'Siamese twins' will both prosper, one will kill the other or both will die given enough rope and a few years.
The fact that this dysfunctional family have wasted so much time, money, and drive while boring the pants off the rest of the world with their soap opera drama has hardly helped their collective cause (or is that non-collective causes ?). Did nobody propose a reconciliation effort might just have be best for all concerned at any point ?
Place your bets now Ladies and Gentlemen, choose your favourite snacks and refreshments, settle down in your favourite seating - this box set still has some way to run yet !! (Try not to fall asleep though) Still think it looks like an argument between two pugnacious ‘crusties’ who have forgotten exactly how tenuous their hold really is in this market. No supplier in any market has an absolute right to survive - and it is time to stop behaving as if there were, however hard. |
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Late starter ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 481 |
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The ILCA/Laser is a great little boat that I have a lot of affection for, but it's 50 year old technology and in ILCA form is hugely overpriced IMHO. Tend to agree with Cirrus that the ILCA will be a niche boat for squaddies etc, as a club sailor if I were going to spend close on £7k I'd buy a nearly new Phantom, Aero, Solo or whatever floated my boat. At club level £3.5k for an LPE replica is interesting but personally I don't think I could overlook the ethics of sailing a counterfeit.
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Interesting points raised about sales numbers and laser supply problems.
I was led to believe that laser supply problems only really effected the USA and was not really a problem in the uk and Europe . Does anyone know different? Also it would be very interesting to see the sales figures of the aero and the laser in the UK and compare them to the world wide figures. I would guess the uk sales figures for the aero and laser would be quite close but worldwide the laser must sell many many times more . Can anyone add some facts to my ponderings
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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Hmmmmm I don't see that at all but we'll see. What Laser/ILCA do have is a strong following outside of racing which I would expect the LPE Laser product to retain due to price. In terms of UK sales I can't the Aero being beaten. Worldwide sails might be different but this will depend on which horse the ROW backs.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Unfortunately sales figures don't back him up, even through their worst crisis they were outselling Aero by a substantial amount, no way it isn't going to improve.
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