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    Posted: 05 Oct 20 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by Cirrus


To me it is looking increasingly like a group of rival manufacturers arguing about the rights and technical issues associated  with 'Betamax' or 'VHS' products.... etc

Fully agree.

I was surprised Ovi signed up - but they must think they can earn out of it or they wouldn't? There may well be (Most likely is) info out there that we are not party to.

We will have to wait and see!
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https://laserperformance.uk/pages/arc-rigs-code-for-first-blog-post
https://www.sailingchandlery.com/collections/laser-boats-buy-a-laser/products/laser-xd-standard-boat-package-composite-mast

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ARC rig looks pants to my untrained eye but on the other hand quite a lot friends who work in boat and sail making seem to agree with me . 



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Originally posted by 423zero

https://laserperformance.uk/pages/arc-rigs-code-for-first-blog-post
Sort of misses the point of who sails the Laser, 

a) Club sailors who want cheap equal racing and a new replica sail is an infrequent purchase
b) Youth squad, Olympic wannabes  and serious traveler racers who will be Laser /  ILCA conformists all day. 

If you want the advantages of this rig you buy and Aero and slot into all there fantastic events. 
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ILCA will totally dominate single hander sales, Aero caught on due to problems with Laser, now its sorted, Laser and ILCA sales will unfortunately decimate them.
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I very much doubt that.. Nobody I know and we have a fair number of laserati, would consider buying a Laser new, it'll just be the province of the squad wannabes and their blighted parents. I don't see the Aero being stopped anytime soon it's going from strength to strength, well as much strength has remains in this dwindling market.

As to my new understanding there are two sources of the Laser now, Laser as defined by the folk that have been building it for years, and Laser as defined by World Sailing and builders with accreditation from them.

Nobody outside of the five ring troposphere will give a toss and my bet is sales will continue via that laserperformance website as confusing as it is (What is the difference between a Laser Race and a Laser XD did the not do the same thing?) As to those Arc rigs they should have done that ten years ago, too late now that boat has sailed.

So I wonder if you buy an accredited boat then buy spare parts from the old site, will that nullify it's use as a class legal boat.
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iGRF sums this up perfectly ... praise where it is due
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Unfortunately sales figures don't back him up, even through their worst crisis they were outselling Aero by a substantial amount, no way it isn't going to improve.

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Originally posted by 423zero

ILCA will totally dominate single hander sales, Aero caught on due to problems with Laser, now its sorted, Laser and ILCA sales will unfortunately decimate them.

Hmmmmm

I don't see that at all but we'll see.

What Laser/ILCA do have is a strong following outside of racing which I would expect the LPE Laser product to retain due to price. In terms of UK sales I can't the Aero being beaten. Worldwide sails might be different but this will depend on which horse the ROW backs.
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Interesting points raised about sales numbers and laser supply problems. 
I was led to believe that laser supply problems only really effected the USA and was not really a problem in the uk and Europe . Does anyone know different? 
Also it would be very interesting to see the sales figures of the aero and the laser in the UK and compare them to the world wide figures.
I would guess the uk sales figures for the aero and laser would be quite close but worldwide the laser must sell many many times more . 
Can anyone add some facts to my ponderings  Smile
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