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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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That was my thought too .
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john80 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 37 |
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I think the top mast is mainly about reducing cost overall as you break less of them. The alloy ones amongst the serious dailors seem to get bent regularly and are then no use. |
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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I could be wrong , I often am but I have seen no evidence that the radial sails and carbonish top masts make a noticeable difference to laser/ILCA boat speed .
Edited by Grumpycat - 03 Oct 20 at 9:51pm |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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A bigger elephant in the room is the mk2 sails and carbon topmasts.
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Will be interesting to see what PY committee comes up with, when Laser and ILCA results start to come in?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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If the event is for boats of the International Laser Class, then they have little choice. And if a competitor chose to protest a boat for not being 'legal' then they would win the protest and it would be a very short hearing. Its been the case for many years that if you turn up at a UKLA supported open with a replica sail you will be turned away*, no matter how faithful a replica it is. What on earth makes you think the situation would or even should be any different with replica hulls? *or possibly loaned a legal sail - at my club we tried to do this. Edited by JimC - 03 Oct 20 at 8:47pm |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well, it's been my experience that 'rival' associations 'set up' to challenge whatever the particular status quo happens to be in place, rarely if ever succeed and definitely have no bearing in the reality of grass roots membership. At the end of the day at our level (club racers) we're just going to race anything that is vaguely Laser shaped as long as its cheap enough. What goes on in the atmospheric world of international competition other than the trickle down cheap hulls, nobody either bothers to know or even care about. So there never is going to be a 'right' or 'wrong' Laser, there are just going to be cheap or expensive and only one of them is going to win out.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Are the same people making sails for the Laser and the ILCA? Just one with buttons and the other without? And several ILCA builders? I really can't see any club barring one with its head up its arse turning someone away because they have the "wrong" Laser.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Its awfully hard to separate fact, fiction and propaganda, but my impression is that there was a faction in ILCA and the Italian Laser Association that strongly disagreed with dumping Laser Performance LLC, and its that faction that has set up this organisation. Those folks are presumably the ones who had the closest ties with the Laser Performance companies, and LP were doubtless happy to assist them. There's a lot of complicated history. One is that there have, I understand, recently been big disagreements within the Italian Laser CA which involved the long standing CA being unrecognised by the Italian National authority and being replaced by a new Association that was set up in competition. Another is that Laser Performance fairly recently had a big row with the International Sunfish Class Association (LP build the Sunfish) and set up an alternate Sunfish Assoc on the lines of TLC, but that was abandoned when they made up relations with the real Sunfish CA. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Provided you are racing in handicap races, either boat can race, neither are trying to pretend they are anything else, boats without a PY or class association are allowed to sail,can't see Any club preventing a 'Laser' or a'ILCA' from racing along side each other, just put them down has 'Bruce Kirby' designed single hander.
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