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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Does the Topper have a National squad under the new RYA system?
Anyway, the answer to Topper hull colours appears to be manufacturing costs, and the sails sheer boringness of how people want sails to look these days. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Absolutely happens all the time. "Line clear" calls usually made on private channel (not hard to find an listen in if you are keen!) Or mobile phone.
I gather if you get in a national squad some private schools give substantial discount on your fees... Which means there is £££ at play. All rather sad. |
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andy h ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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I always liked the N12s because in that fleet if you had a plain pale grey hull you'd stick out like a sore thumb. "Which boat was over, RO?" "Oh, it was that boring grey one sandwiched between the lime green one and that pink one with the purple spots". BTW: that whole thing about parents listening on the VHF at Topper opens does happen. I was amazed when I witnessed it first hand.
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Europe AUS53 & FF 3615
National 12 3344, Europe 397 and Mirror 53962 all gone with regret |
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Parents and their lawyers...
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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I completely agree with all your points.
If I'm OCS I deserve to be called out for it. Mind you, I will be annoyed if someone else is and doesn't get called out. H2's observation about yellow being slower is interesting! We know that's almost certainly not the case. But it doesn't take much to get the message out that yellow are slower, or blue or whatever. And now probably anything other than red is slower... Because it's not new... Same for sails. People start to think one specific version is quicker, more new boats in that version bought. New boats will be quick... I doubt that many new Toppers are being bought by club sailors... |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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What is the point of winning if you know you cheated (either deliberate or inadvertently)? I do get the idea that if you graze a mark and nobody sees you you might not do your penalty turn simply 'cos nobody else bothers but I've always don the turns if I know I'm in the wrong and still do.
If it's not clear cut then go with your conscience and, if the post race discussion says you were in the wrong, then retire.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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I think we're seeing varying interpretations of sport.
Jim's and anything within the rules or you get away with. I believe amateur sport is more healthy if it falls under that of Jim and professional sport isn't really sport at all, actually a money making front.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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And to my mind it's also highly morally dubious.
If I'm over the line I deserve to get called by the RC. I'm not going to do anything to make their task more difficult. Edited by JimC - 15 Aug 20 at 10:54am |
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No, but I have sat on a Topper Open Meeting protest committee where a protest was heard after a parent listening in (via radio) to race office comms decided to protest based on what they overheard...
The sport of sailing is a hobby for the vast, vast majority (anyone not trying to make a living from it). I was a Topper squaddie in the 90’s, there were dark blue, light blue, raspberry, red, grey and purple boats at the front of the fleet. Yellow ones always seemed slow... And even more sail colour combos - I always liked the blue, gold & red myself, or the pink, yellow & grey.
That might be the business model for a Finn or a 49er, but wasn’t, shouldn’t be and hopefully still isn’t the case for the Topper. If only top end racers buy new Toppers the class is in trouble - there are many more potential buyers at the bottom of the pyramid or with no intention of racing at all. In this I agree with GRF - it is shortsighted to think that elite money is somehow more valuable. And if you have an older raspberry or pale blue hull the red/white/blue sail clashes horribly! I’d happily pay £50 more to avoid that ;)
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At the clew, so unlikely to be seen on a crowded line... Of course kids enjoy competing, some may also enjoy the chance to personalise the boat - pride of ownership etc.
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