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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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I'd agree - much harder at the olympics to not be recognisable. Tons of Jury boats, TV, etc.
You've never been to a Topper Nationals Protest Hearing then! Some of these guys will be future Olympic hopefuls. They are being trained at age ~12 to compete like olympians.
Ah. You are considering sailing a hobby rather than a sport.
There are 20-30 who might stand a chance of a win. If thats the definition of seriously. Further down the fleet there will remain 'serious' races. Coming 50th might still mean getting a regional squad place. Or it might simply mean beating your arch rival.
The trouble is... if all the others are staying anonymous - you might need to too. Obviously the rules should be followed. The Black Flag is probably the best time to not be identifiable; that may or may not mean cheating. Lets say 10 boats are over on BF with 200 boat start. If the OD can identify all 10, you are BFD. If he can't identify them all he will have to Gen Recall. If he identifies some they will be BFD. Not being identified isn't cheating, its the reality of a race. But lets be realistic. Its those top 20 who are buying a brand new race topper. Those then sell to the rest of the fleet over time. So those 20 set the spec. Also £50 extra for a sail and £50 extra for hull top sides. So £100. Those racers would rather spend that on something that makes the boat sail faster or protects the boat better. Some of those guys will be buying new sails every year or two. Those £50 extras add up. Coloured sails fade quicker. The beach clubs likely said not to do it. The beach clubs wouldn't pay more for coloured hulls. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Completely agree A2Z
I like racing but certainly not the attitude shown by some. |
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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Toppers have a 3 digit champ number on the sail so no one is hiding. A considerable number of kids get a lot of fun by sailing competitively
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I hear that argument all the time and I find it bonkers. Maybe in the Olympics, possibly. Though with so few boats and so many cameras even that’s highly doubtful.
But in a Topper, really? It’s a fun boat in what is meant to be a fun hobby. 100-200 race at national level and about 20-30 race “seriously”. And what kind of lesson is that to kids - “stay anonymous and you may get away with things”? |
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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At the "top end" (where most of the people are buying new) -
Do you want to be the only yellow hull or only blue hull in a fleet that is 90+% red? Protest room; "How sure are you it was sail number 123456 that was on port and not 153426?" "He has a yellow hull" Committee boat: "did you catch the sail number of the OCS boat to BFD?" "It was the blue hull ending 789" |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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93 boats u the Topper Nationals 5.3 Gold fleet, plus another 120 in the silver, bronze and 4.2 fleets, thats 223 sailors serious enough to travel to Largs for the event.
Changing colour would involve purging the system in an injection moulding machine as the plastic has to be molten before it's injected so there is an additional cost in material and time which does not occur when producing several of the same colour. In a roto-moulding machine the granules are placed directly into the mould so two different colours could follow with no more than a clean (which I assume happens each time anyway).
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Hmmm, seems arrogant to suggest that there is no customer benefit to offering them choice. The cost of different coloured sails is trivial and could be a costed option. Hulls, granted, may be more hassle than it’s worth but it used to happen and they’ve always been cheap.
If the majority of buyers are top end racers then that would explain a big drop off in sails. The topper is the ideal holiday/training/family boat - there will never be more more than 100 or so serious racers but there are countless more below that level for whom £3k is an affordable toy.
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Most of the new Toppers sold will be at the more serious end of the fleet and I doubt one single new purchase has been lost due to hull colour choice. So rather than add cost for no benefit for their customers the actual racing kit has been upgraded and a Topper offers a highly competitive package in a decreasing and competitive market.
The change of colour is not quick and easy, lost production, multiple part need producing to purge the old colour (these can be recycled but not easily back into Toppers but a lower grade product) inventory control of the plastic, I doubt they master batch so a silo for each colour, storage of the different colour hulls which is uncontrollable do to customer demands - the list of hassle goes on and on. Standardisation brings benefits for everyone.
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Not many white windsurfer sails.
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Plenty of adult dinghies had stripy sails when the Topper did. In fact, theTopper was as much adult dinghy as kids' boat. As the fun went out of beach boats as they became racing machines, so the colours became a bit boring - or grown up - or less uncool - depending upon viewpoint. Note less uncool. Windsurfing was cool, kite fooling, cool. Uncool will still be there when cool has moved on. |
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