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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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I think that is an anomaly. My cold moulded IC was no comparison to the epoxy carbon foam sandwich one that replaced it.
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CapSizer ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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Well, isn't the Contender known to be quite heavy? So if the weight limit is high, it makes sense that wood can be reasonably competitive, witness Contender and OK. Whereas if the limit is low, as with the Phantom, wood cannot really compete.
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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+1 that’s the death of ply boats in a nut shell. Newer boats designed with a 10kg lower weight for questionably small increase in performance but enough to make GRP boat building profitable and obsolete lots of great wooden boats.
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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but in the Phantom's case the boat was already designed to be 61kgs but it was rare that any wooden boats actually got near it (Claridges apart). The GRP boats didn't on the whole either but they enabled owners to have relatively maintenence free sailing. As for Jim's comment about the frp/grp boats etc, well all of the early epoxy boats came from the same mould as the polyester boats so the performance gain must have come from the weight or stiffness gains (assuming there were some). I certainly know that when I moved from a poly boat to an epoxy one it was like a different class, so much more responsive, in fact too much and I fell in backwards on a reach. My epoxy boat had 1.5kgs cof correctors too so a massive overall difference to the old boat. I was still using a tin rig at the time and it didn't slow me down overall.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Bonezzi Contenders are cold moulded in wood using epoxy resin infusion techniques. I suspect if you told Mr Bonezzi his boats were made from plywood he would be quite upset
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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If one wishes to be pedantic (and this is the internet [grin]) moulding from veneers is simply the process of creating curved plywood on the mould...
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It's plywood, Jim, but not as we know it! |
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mongrel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 304 |
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I’d agree with that, that the conservative weight limit of the Contender and OK allow wooden construction to remain competitive, also as mentioned earlier, the shape of the OK being quite boxy promotes quite a stiff structure.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() I still think that going up to the bloke with the shiny new Bonezzi Contender and saying "how are you liking your plywood boat?" is asking for a knuckle sandwich
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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Right, definitive answer, according to the CED Plywood is "wood in sheets that is made of several thin layers glues together" so a cold moulded boat is not made of 'plywood' ('cos it's not in sheets).
Unfortunately for this argument the OED says "A type of strong thin wooden board consisting of two or more layers glued and pressed together with the direction of the grain alternating." which is slightly less definitive thou "a type of strong thin wooden board" does imply that the material starts out as flat. But what do we dinghy bods know anyway, we can't even decide what FRP stands for....
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