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Sid92 
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 Topic: Plywood Kit DesignersPosted: 24 Jul 20 at 8:03pm |
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Good point, have not seen an older Phant up close to see if there is a suitable place to perch. Guess the deeper floor also helps with the boom height!
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Sid92
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Posted: 24 Jul 20 at 8:04pm |
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Remember not having to kneal in the OK but is a 34" unside leg ok re toe strap position?
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Neal_g
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Joined: 07 Oct 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 323 |
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Posted: 24 Jul 20 at 8:08pm |
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There was a guy at our club in kent who had a phantom wooden lightweight which needed a repaint and bailers sorting not sure if he still has it
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Miracle 4040 GP14 13407 Crewsaver phase 2 range now available to buy online on at http://www.gibsonsails.com |
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KazRob
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Joined: 22 Oct 16 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 245 |
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Posted: 24 Jul 20 at 8:22pm |
Nick Craig, Freddy Loof and a few others aren't short on leg length. Have a look at this pic of Nick http://www.flickr.com/photos/okdia/34591545700/in/album-72157681350512684/ And Ben must be over 6.5ft! Get hold of the demo boat for a try - there's nothing to lose trying and if you like it get a Leech kitboat
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OK 2249
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Sid92
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Posted: 24 Jul 20 at 8:27pm |
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Thanks for the info / pics. Will have another look
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Late starter
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Posted: 27 Jul 20 at 8:52am |
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I sailed an old single floor (ie deep cockpit) Phantom back in the day. Nice boat, reasonably roomy and with plenty of space to "perch". I believe many of these early boats were built from kits, though I'm not sure if there are any kit suppliers around any more. However, much as I liked my old boat it was totally outclassed in terms of performance by the double floor epoxy/carbon ships that represent most of the fleet nowadays. If you're sailing for fun, fine, but for racing I think you'd be 50 PY points slower than a modern Phantom. And building this isn't going to be cheap and I doubt if it would have much re-sale value. But they were nice boats to sail, and if racing and money isn't an issue go for it !
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Riv
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Posted: 28 Jul 20 at 11:26am |
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The OK can be built out of wood and be competative against foam sandwich boats. What is different about the Phantom that makes this not possible?
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Cirrus
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Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Posted: 28 Jul 20 at 11:45am |
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What is different about the Phantom that makes this not possible? Almost certainly 'compound curves' - the Phant had a lot of freedom to allow self builders to stay within the rules building in their garages - later this was 'used' to build in compound curves into the later composite hulls... and the plywood boats started to struggle ... I would assume the OK has a much tigher measurement policy.
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KazRob
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Posted: 28 Jul 20 at 12:32pm |
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I'm not sure but I think the tolerances are +/-10mm at the measurement points so there is quite a variation in shape and panel curvature between designs (but they all seem to go about the same tbh).
The Leech method just uses modern technology to get a millimeter perfect jig locked together before the similarly accurate panels are offered up to it. Much more accurate than the old hand cut / stich and glue method and I don't see why other classes couldn't do the same. Plywood is a really stiff and sustainable material to build boats from after all. |
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OK 2249
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Gordon 1430
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Joined: 27 Jun 17 Location: Lee on Solent Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
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Posted: 28 Jul 20 at 12:35pm |
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Hi Mike The Phantom mould was taken from a fast wooden boat so no need for a slow hull shape. Building the hull of ply it was a problem to keep it within weight John Claridge did build some fast lovely double bottom boats and knowing John down to weight. I think the woodies in the fleet are using either tin or early carbon rigs not the current rigs of choice. Think that makes a big difference as well. With laser cutting a Kit would be an option, I wonder what the cost of good marine ply would be in comparison with a hull from Ovington. |
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Gordon
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