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    Posted: 15 Jun 20 at 8:08pm
I think the interesting thing people are missing here is just what a performance the lead 200 put in for race 1.
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Originally posted by 423zero

It all seems a bit two fingers to me.

Yes. I respect HISC as a club. It has had a great reputation. But pushing the envelope that far has, in my view, seriously put in to question that reputation. Not my problem, but certainly theirs.
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It all seems a bit two fingers to me.
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Well we will know soon enough what the 'view from on high' is given that the Foxer Nationals are going ahead this weekend at Hamble - published NoR, SIs - so it is certainly an 'organised event' and given that  a fair number of people from the RYA will be there, this must give it all the final seal of approval.

It is a bit like the argument that a Special Adviser followed his instincts, driven the length of the country and that has made everything now okay. The fact that the Foxer event is going ahead, almost in the RYA's back yard and with people in RYA logo'd sailing gear present will now make it well nigh impossible to say any different, so they might as well just step back and let people get on with it.

Others, who have been  patiently waiting for someone to say that it is now okay may have a different view, as may the non sailing community (point taken - there isn't many of those in Hamble) and if the heated focus that is bubbling up on Hayling is anything to go, by the story of the Corona Cup  may yet have some more laps to do before the story dies - which it shows no signs of yet!

Corona Cup??? How thought that one up? Whoever it was, there has to be openings for him in Westminster with a sensitivity like that!

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I am sure clubs who still cannot sail will look on in amazement...
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Calling it the Corona Cup was definitely a ‘foot in mouth’ decision. Corona Memorial Cup maybe...
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Well done HISC - I totally agree with the 6-person interpretation and I am really delighted to see this go ahead. Perhaps calling it the "Corona Cup" was a bit of a dumb idea with hindsight and was always going to get under people's skin in a way that is not helpful.
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Simple, they concluded that a race wasn't a gathering. 

They stopped any gatherings on shore no brief, no sign on. Single household crews and duty team. 

The law is written to give the police the power to break up gatherings such as house parties, BBQs, raves, etc. 

Of course, there will always be people more interested in pointing fingers than the actual specifics of the situation. 

When you've got lines of people queuing up outside primark the criticism of a club race is ridiculous.
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Interested to hear from HISC about how they ran, and justified, despite the rules, the Corona Cup over the weekend. I see quite a bit of criticism on the www ....  I dont take a view one way or another - just curious how they justified it?
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Originally posted by Mozzy

I think the main thing is the 2m rule for different households in race boxes and patrol boats. If you can avoid this then there is nothing that stops competitive sailing. 

There's a small issue with the 'meet with one other person from another household' and soon to be 'up to six people'. But it's unclear what constitutes 'meeting'. 

For example, I can go to the park to explicitly meet (2m apart) a friend, or go for a walk etc. Obviously there might be many people at the park also walking or jogging or whatever. But, it's fine as you're not there to 'meet' them. 

Are other boats at a sailing club like other joggers in a park? Or are they implicitly part of the same gathering? At what point do people in the same place for the same reason become part of the same gathering? It's all a bit grey. 

There would be a case that as soon as you publish official start time or an official event, then everyone participating is part of a singular gathering.

Well said! Agree with it.

The reality is, if you're outdoors, and well spaced, the transmission risk is low, and whether there are 20 people there out of coincidence or through design makes little difference. However, limiting gatherings to 2 (or soon to be 6) does make it a lot easier for police to break things up before groups become large and inhibitions are removed and the 2m rule goes out of the window. 

I don't recall club racing ever slowly morphing in to a situation where 50 people are hugging and kissing... although a FED week party is another matter!

On the other hand, an informal race to a buoy and back with whoever happens to be on the water is plenty enough for me. I've long been of the opinion that NoR, SI's, flags and even results don't add much to my club racing experience and I've not missed them on the last couple outings at HISC. It's not a area I particularly want the club to push the rules on. 
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