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    Posted: 08 Jun 20 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by getafix

Racing should be allowed to start again:
With all due respect, that isn't the question. The question is "is it ALLOWED"

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Dinghies should be crewed by same household sailors (easy in single handers)
No-one is disputing that.

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Trolleys can be pulled away once boats are launched and sailing away
So thats your first risk. You are now handling something someone else handled.

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Marks can be laid and picked back up by rescue boats (or left out there depending on the water)
Fixed marks are fine. World Sailing have some virtual mark rules too (not really for dinghy sailing). 
Mark laying single handed on a RIB is not impossible, but can be hard work. Depends on size of marks, weight of the weight, anchor, sea conditions etc.

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One person can be in the race box, the others outside doing flags/recording times/using radio
Yes. See no problem with that for club racing.  Once you get to major events you need more bodies (more eyes)

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Rescue boats can be launched by groups, as long as people stay 2m apart, that's going to be OK on all but steep ramps with big boats, perhaps use a winch from a vehicle if you have real issues in recovering or launching with limited numbers?
Launching a RIB can be done single handed if necessary.  Plenty of single owners of RIBs manage it.  Most RIBs are 2m wide.  If you need bodies involved - one each side will be spaced.

Its not launching that causes the concern.  It is manning the RIB.  A 5m RIB with a central console makes distancing difficult.  

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Drowning will actually kill as will extreme hypothermia, right there and then, at least if you catch Covid you get a chance of a save at a hospital - so launch a rescue boat or two - IMO it's far lower risk than going to your local supermarket or getting involved in a protest march.  The numbers involved in sailing are going to be far less than those caught on video this weekend in London and Bristol.  
I don't disagree.  There are plenty of clubs who pay rescue staff. Are they choosing to participate?
We allowed people to choose to not go to the pub the weekend before lockdown - the majority chose to go.  The risk isn't the fit sailor. Its the elderly relative they might infect. The ITU bed they occupy that means the cancer patient can't be treated.  I don't understand the protests.  Supermarkets - are necessary to buy food to survive. I've yet to find someone who has died because they couldn't race.

Originally posted by getafix

 
OK, I accept that in an extremely unlikely scenario someone on the rescue boat may have to do 1st aid and that potentially includes CPR, which would then lead to isolation for all involved until risks can be said to have passed, I believe that's 10 days?
It is a low risk that it will be needed, but is exactly the reason you are wanting safety cover.
It is 14 days of isolation.  Why would you think it 10, but think qualified to post an opinion?
I think isolation would only be required IF the person was covid +ve (or perhaps while you await an answer).  CPR is an AGP - it is HIGH RISK for transmission.

Originally posted by getafix

 
As for changing rooms and club facilities most can change in the car or hold a towel around your waist - there are these things called cool boxes you can keep cold drinks (aka beers) in for afterwards and that leaves changing facilities indoors free for people who HAVE to use them, as there won't be so many people about and keeping 2m apart will be well possible

Ensuring you aren't meeting more than 6 people of course...
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Folks, do we imagine that one of these days some Government Minister is going to stand at those snazzy lecturns and utter the sentence "from the 15th its fine for people to race in their dinghy's in groups of more than six so long as they use a 3-2-1 start sequence and agree to not sail by the lee so as to minimise port-starboard infections when on a run" or something as specific and totally unexpected?

Or are we going to have to use our common sense if we want to go racing again? The plan is to enjoy help stop this virus, right?
No. They wont  specifically say racing is fine in a presser (unless they've run out of announcements!).  The RYA may agree back of house.  But more likely is the government provides sufficient clarity for ANY SPORTS.  Can the local village football team play?  Thats 22 people in closer proximity for longer than on a boat.  If so that is your permission to race more than 6 boats.

You can easily put a social distancing requiremnet in your SIs.  But I still doubt its necessary.  The advice is >2m is fine. >1m for 15minutes is fine. <1m for 1minute is fine unless doing something like personal care.  So walking past someone browsing a shelf in a shop is fine.  Its not zero risk, but its low risk.  
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Racing should be allowed to start again:

Dinghies should be crewed by same household sailors (easy in single handers)

Trolleys can be pulled away once boats are launched and sailing away

Marks can be laid and picked back up by rescue boats (or left out there depending on the water)

One person can be in the race box, the others outside doing flags/recording times/using radio

Rescue boats can be launched by groups, as long as people stay 2m apart, that's going to be OK on all but steep ramps with big boats, perhaps use a winch from a vehicle if you have real issues in recovering or launching with limited numbers?

Drowning will actually kill as will extreme hypothermia, right there and then, at least if you catch Covid you get a chance of a save at a hospital - so launch a rescue boat or two - IMO it's far lower risk than going to your local supermarket or getting involved in a protest march.  The numbers involved in sailing are going to be far less than those caught on video this weekend in London and Bristol.  OK, I accept that in an extremely unlikely scenario someone on the rescue boat may have to do 1st aid and that potentially includes CPR, which would then lead to isolation for all involved until risks can be said to have passed, I believe that's 10 days?

Everyone who wants to race will have to accept their role in doing the duties required to make it possible, as well as safe, for everyone else.  Yes, that means you will overall get less outings, but at least you will be getting out and that's better than sitting typing and wistfully looking out the window  Wink

As for changing rooms and club facilities most can change in the car or hold a towel around your waist - there are these things called cool boxes you can keep cold drinks (aka beers) in for afterwards and that leaves changing facilities indoors free for people who HAVE to use them, as there won't be so many people about and keeping 2m apart will be well possible



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Probably not this year, I haven't even managed to sail yet, nothing from my club, park rangers dragging there feet.
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Folks, do we imagine that one of these days some Government Minister is going to stand at those snazzy lecturns and utter the sentence "from the 15th its fine for people to race in their dinghy's in groups of more than six so long as they use a 3-2-1 start sequence and agree to not sail by the lee so as to minimise port-starboard infections when on a run" or something as specific and totally unexpected?

Or are we going to have to use our common sense if we want to go racing again? The plan is to enjoy help stop this virus, right?
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Could be social distancing is going to be reduced to one metre.
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Originally posted by didlydon

 
 or changing room
Is it necessary?  We are brought up with such luxuries so we expect them.  In the summer, turning up with swimming gear on under clothes seems easy enough to switch to a wetsuit.  (Dry Suit - turn up in huggy bear - its pre-warmed).  Changing at the end of the day possible under a towel or dry robe if you want to be posh

...or even posher, like wot I am - purchase a changing tent  LOL Great for getting changed out of wet into dry gear when it's raining (like the weekend just gone).
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Originally posted by Wiclif

Having seen the protests over the last few days, is this topic not largely irrelevant?
Depends in which way! Either because if its OK for 10,000 people to squeeze into a small place to throw bikes at horses its presumably fine to have 2m distance sailing?  

Or because - wave 2 is not almost certainly just 2 weeks away, and so we will be in a full lockdown again?

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Having seen the protests over the last few days, is this topic not largely irrelevant?
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