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    Posted: 04 Jun 20 at 7:58am
Originally posted by 423zero

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Think you will find it is a reference to the recently reported actions of Dominic Cummings....
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What a disappointingly aggressive turn of events. If you really can’t see that the more people congregate in an area the more risk there is, you are deluded. Maybe the risk is still acceptable, who knows, but it is higher.

The advice is that people need to stay 2m apart. More people on a start line will not affect this. We had many more than six boats show up last weekend all of whom decided to sail the same course at the same time and none of us got closer than 2m to each other.
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The risk is fleeting, but I can think of many times during a race that 2 sailors will be less than 2m from each other. Helms and crews of different boats up wind and at marks, a boat running past boats coming up wind, boats rafting up in light winds and tide when failing to round a mark.

But the risks are tiny compared to the contact I'm already seeing onshore as people rig, launch and chat. Set a start time and you'll see that multiply massively as people all want to be launching at once.

Why not see how the current level of activity affects things before pushing for more? Use the time to self coach, run small group sessions where it is easy to know who you come into contact with and not to stretch the facilities? You never know, you might just be a faster sailor when racing proper starts again.
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We can launch 10 boats simultaneously at our club and be more than 2m apart. I accept that our club is unusual in this regard. We could launch 30 boats within a five minute window and not affect the need to distance. The risk of being closer than 2m on the water is WAY less than the risk I face facing people when I go running and regularly now have few options but to be well within 2m as I pass.

As for social distancing whilst getting ready and after sailing, well I have not seen any issue here at our club - perhaps we are just a very anti-social bunch?
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Here's my two pennorth.... not much to add to the stuff which I've read so far, but I like racing, but not at the mo thanks. We can't physically do it & maintain a healthy distance in the race box or safety boat - or changing room & keep things as "sterile" as we should. Our club have postponed all club activities till further notice. I'm now allowed on the water by the Govt which is great & I'll leisure sail with a pal or two when able. That'll do my mental & physical health good for now... Lets not rush too quickly back to how it was before & risk & second wave of this bugger!    
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Originally posted by A2Z

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One of my clients is a large manufacturer with 10,000 or so staff. Last year they banned the use of Stanley knives because of too many injuries. As you would expect this was ridiculed because most of them had never hurt themselves. As an individual, if you injure yourself every 10,000 days you can expect to go an entire career with perhaps one minor cut. But as a company on average there is an accident every single day - despite training, despite PPE and despite notices. There was so much time list to first aid and form filling it made sense, from their perspective, to ban the use. It is similar with racing. The risk to the individual is low, but collectively it may be too much. Or it may not, but the decision can’t be made on the risk to an individual.


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in my current workplace we've tried to ban  them despite all the above  and only  using the 'retractable blade'   version but  because there is a limited  set of uses for them  they are generally available from the  PPE  + consumable tools  vending machines 

only  takes one  careless  cut  and  you can ruin the packaging ona  several thousand pound  (at retail ) item  -   which then  can only be sold  on through  disposal channels  or as 'refurbished'   and thuse a write up of up to a  third on the pristine retail price... 

all becasue some  ignorant basic grade  / agency   worker decided they wanted a 'proper' knife not a safety cutter

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Originally posted by H2

We can launch 10 boats simultaneously at our club and be more than 2m apart. I accept that our club is unusual in this regard. We could launch 30 boats within a five minute window and not affect the need to distance. The risk of being closer than 2m on the water is WAY less than the risk I face facing people when I go running and regularly now have few options but to be well within 2m as I pass.
As for social distancing whilst getting ready and after sailing, well I have not seen any issue here at our club - perhaps we are just a very anti-social bunch?


Thinking about your club, yes, you have very few bottlenecks. Keep the buildings shut, accept self rescue and persuade the committee to do the risk assessments and then go race.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by H2

We can launch 10 boats simultaneously at our club and be more than 2m apart. I accept that our club is unusual in this regard. We could launch 30 boats within a five minute window and not affect the need to distance. The risk of being closer than 2m on the water is WAY less than the risk I face facing people when I go running and regularly now have few options but to be well within 2m as I pass.
As for social distancing whilst getting ready and after sailing, well I have not seen any issue here at our club - perhaps we are just a very anti-social bunch?


Thinking about your club, yes, you have very few bottlenecks. Keep the buildings shut, accept self rescue and persuade the committee to do the risk assessments and then go race.

Indeed - and as I am the VC responsible for sailing, I guess I can!  LOL
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Do clubs have policies for informing members if someone recently at the club displays symptoms?
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Presumably you will have to tell 'Track and trace', you will be very popular, everyone you have met will have to self isolate for 3 weeks.
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