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    Posted: 04 Jun 20 at 9:22am
The risk is fleeting, but I can think of many times during a race that 2 sailors will be less than 2m from each other. Helms and crews of different boats up wind and at marks, a boat running past boats coming up wind, boats rafting up in light winds and tide when failing to round a mark.

But the risks are tiny compared to the contact I'm already seeing onshore as people rig, launch and chat. Set a start time and you'll see that multiply massively as people all want to be launching at once.

Why not see how the current level of activity affects things before pushing for more? Use the time to self coach, run small group sessions where it is easy to know who you come into contact with and not to stretch the facilities? You never know, you might just be a faster sailor when racing proper starts again.
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Originally posted by A2Z

What a disappointingly aggressive turn of events. If you really can’t see that the more people congregate in an area the more risk there is, you are deluded. Maybe the risk is still acceptable, who knows, but it is higher.

The advice is that people need to stay 2m apart. More people on a start line will not affect this. We had many more than six boats show up last weekend all of whom decided to sail the same course at the same time and none of us got closer than 2m to each other.
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Originally posted by 423zero

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Think you will find it is a reference to the recently reported actions of Dominic Cummings....
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I can't see a problem if one hundred boats are on the water, class water has a public park, issue comes when people look for loop holes to allow racing.
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I think the amount of boats should be limited by what the site can handle with regard to the 2m advice and the Covid Secure guidance. Whether the people on site are there to race or not makes little difference to covid risk as long as social distancing is managed. 

We did informal racing with 7 or 8 boats a week ago, and 3/4 this weekend. It hadn't occurred to me that boats on the water at the same time would be a 'gathering'. 

What degree of organisation has to be present to make it a gathering?

For example, 
1) 7 sailors turn up to a public slip, by pure coincidence, and sail on the same piece of water. None have met before. 
2) A club posts opening times and then 7 sailors turn up when it opens and sail at the same time
3) A club is open, then 7 sailors turn up. They didn't know who would be there before arriving, but once there agree to watch out for each other and sail in the same part of the harbour for safety
4) 7 sailors message to say they will be sailing on Sunday and what time, to look out for each other. 
5) A club assess it's site can cope with 7 sailors at any one time, so do a rota so people can pre-book. 7 sailors are at the club together. 
6) 7 sailors message before hand with a course and a rough time. They compare 'time trial' time around the course after 
7) 7 sailors message before with a course and rough time and run rabbit starts

All scenarios have the same number of sailors using the same space at the same time. Are all illegal? Are all legal?

Where is the risk difference between any scenario? Where is legal boundary of gathering passed, if at all?

Anyway, it will probably all change before we get a handle on it. 


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Zeon:
Also let’s look at risk using these 10 000 staff you mentioned. The risk those people are taking in spreading the virus byjust by going to work in offices and factories is many times greater than the risk factor of all dinghy sailors sailing at one time even with out social distancing rules being put in place. That’s with out even thinking about adding the risk supermarket shopping.

A. That is why those that can work from home should do so.  
B. The risks are additive. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so careless practise at work doesn’t excuse careless practise at your club. In fact it makes it worse.

Let’s not forget there are still over 1000 people a day catching it.  Most of them probably thought they were taking suitable precautions or were at low risk. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:04pm
Please don’t tell me what you think I think. I’m not saying racing is unsafe, I am saying it is clearly less safe. If the govt say that groups of 6 is where they currently draw the line before they consider the risks too high, then I think you should respect that and not try to argue that it shouldn’t apply to your situation.  If you have 50 boats on the startline at 11am you had 50 pairs of hands on the gate padlock if nothing else. Do you seriously believe every single person sanitises or wears gloves every single time before and after they do that?
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