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    Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 8:40am
I think the 6 people gathering is causing some confusion. To me, at a sailing race the parts that would constitute a gathering or meeting would be a race briefing, where are in proximity, even 2m distance, for prolonged time. Like a church service, or BBQ etc. 

If this rule were to be in place for some time I would think it worthwhile to get some clarification of jut what constitutes a gathering. But, I rather expect it to change before we'll get a definitive answer. 
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Sadly, all going pear-shaped on the Restart Sailing FB Group. Seems a shame as it has good intent. Like all of these types of groups (and here), it can quickly get heated and personal with many different views and interpretations ....
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Some clubs with a single ramp and a 'tight' dinghy park and other pinch points may have a real problem with  a very modest number indeed at peak times - and even very possibly less than 6 at times without a lot of care by all participants.  Other locations are however very open and it would be possible for much larger numbers of users to keep separation distances well above say 10m !   On the water there should be no good reason to get anywhere near less than 2m, even if  informally 'racing'  so all we are talking about here relates to 'dry land'.  Those who are effectively hopeless or bloody minded at keeping their distance are quickly obvious to the significant majority who do act with sense.  They are obvious wherever they are, when shopping, walking .. and yes even at sailing clubs.  Everybody by now should know it when they experience it - and if concerned should politely remind transgressors of their shared obligations (obviously if safe to do so !).   There is little special about sailing clubs and sailing that makes interactions with this naive and potentially dangerous minority any worse than elsewhere.   If/when  I became concerned at any time about such basic safety in this 'new normal' at a sailing club I would  simply leave/avoid - as I would anywhere else.. 

Personally I think the 'previous' lockdown restrictions should have continued for some time yet given the high numbers still being infected every day in mainland UK but will sail now rather than just walk / run / cycle as a form of recreation.   My overall risk level has not changed.


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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by Rupert

50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.


Or if there is space for 50 people to social distance then limiting it to six gains nothing.

I’m not suggesting that the 6 is wrong or should be changed....just fed up with this sort of flawed logic.

Especially as the 50 could be at the club independently without breaking the 6 person rule.

Exactly that.
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Originally posted by Rupert

50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.


Or if there is space for 50 people to social distance then limiting it to six gains nothing.

I’m not suggesting that the 6 is wrong or should be changed....just fed up with this sort of flawed logic.

Especially as the 50 could be at the club independently without breaking the 6 person rule.
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Jonathan Van-Tam, deputy chief medical officer has asked people not to look for loop holes, to look out for each other.
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50 people at a club rigging, launching, sailing, coming ashore is obviously going to stretch the 2m rule more than 6 people.
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Today's announcement is that the 6 meeting up from different households also applies to sport. 

"People from different households exercising together must remain at least two metres apart. Gatherings of more than six people from different households are still not permitted."

Personally I have no issues with what Shustoke are doing, as long as people from different household are 2 m apart, then I see no greater risks than the same number of boats being at the club leisure sailing. 

But, considering you can achieve 95% of what Shustoke have done buy just allowing free sailing and turning a blind eye to informal racing, it seems to be a large reputation risk for little gain at this stage.

It's a pretty grey area of law. As long as you're 2 m apart, does it matter if there are 2,6 or 50 people? Common sense tells you there is a lot of difference between 50 people at a sailing club staying 2 m apart than 50 people in a private garden for a BBQ after a few beers.  

Members of Shustoke would be welcome at HISC. Bit of drive mind you. 
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Really? One person’s casual indifference (from a distance!) is another’s risk managed, appropriate activity.

I do think they’ve jumped the gun...Monday in heats of six was the time to start. But ‘casual indifference’ - no evidence either way.

I’m not sure if the use of safeguarding was a deliberate choice but it does now have a narrow meaning in terms of child/vulnerable adult protection, and is perhaps not quite the right term here.
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Originally posted by A2Z

I’m not totally sure I would want someone who is racing at Shustoke to then visit or free sail at my club. I know that sounds harsh, but the vibe given is of casual indifference to safeguarding measures.

Have you read what they propose to do?

It's hardly casual, and certainly not indifferent. Its quite onerous on whichever volunteers are in charge of the club. I'm not sure i'd like to be a duty officer or flag officer should something go wrong and someone starts asking questions which is why this doesn't alter my view that they have jumped the gun (Me as a huge advocate that we were never truly banned in the first place!).

You have to admire the enthusiasm and the will to solve problems of those in charge. The only thing they really should have done is state that they are closed to new members.
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