New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Is Racing Allowed?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Is Racing Allowed?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 28293031>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
nutonthetiller View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 Aug 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 31 		Post Options Post Options   Quote nutonthetiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Is Racing Allowed?
    Posted: 29 May 20 at 9:00pm
https://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/sportsdevelopment/Web%20Documents/Guidance%20on%20Restarting%20Racing%20and%20COVID-19%20-%20V1.pdf

RYA says racing allowed if follow guidelines 
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by NickM99

The Government regs on exercise for June remain unchanged in that you can only play a sport against one other person, but you can now socially mix up to six from two different households.  So e.g presumably family team tennis doubles is OK after all?  Confusing.
The LTA have written to the DCMS today to seek clarification of exactly this.
Back to Top
423zero View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 08 Jan 15
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 7:32pm
Let's hope it doesn't get debated in the media, mind, would ease the pressure on Boris and Dom.
Robert
Back to Top
NickM99 View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 26 Apr 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 145 		Post Options Post Options   Quote NickM99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 7:27pm
The Government regs on exercise for June remain unchanged in that you can only play a sport against one other person, but you can now socially mix up to six from two different households.  So e.g presumably family team tennis doubles is OK after all?  Confusing.

The RYA is encouraging competition on the water around individual time trials etc., and apparently it is OK for these to be "organised" informally by individuals used social media etc.  I note the latest RYA doc on return to racing talks about e.g. gate starts in the context of sometime in the future when more organised racing is allowed.

So I agree with Paramedic.  I can't see how Shustoke's racing conforms with the rules.
Back to Top
zeon View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 20 Aug 16
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 316 		Post Options Post Options   Quote zeon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 5:13pm
........

Edited by zeon - 01 Oct 20 at 12:36pm
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 2:10pm
Thanks for the thoughts.  This isn’t so much a question of whether it is safe or even sensible, but whether it is actually allowed.  If you go for a free sail that seems analogous to joggers in a park, but if you schedule a race at a set time that seems much more like a gathering to me and regardless of whether you keep 2m apart I didn’t think that was allowed?
Back to Top
Jamie600 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 14 Jun 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 718 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Jamie600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 2:02pm
I wondered the same last weekend as our club re-opened.

Everyone was maintaining distance, within their household units, however we were talking to each other (while maintaining distance).

Current rules state you can exercise in a public place such as a park, while maintaining distance, but can only meet one person from outside your household, again at a distance.

If you imagine the sailing club as a park, are we technically breaking the rules by 'meeting'?
RS600 1001
Back to Top
Paramedic View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 929 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 2:01pm
I agree with A2Z

As soon as the club take ownership of several people using the facilities and put people on duty I think it becomes a gathering.

I wouldn’t do it.

If several people choose to see who is the fastest I think is different. The important thing for me is that the club stays out of it.

Are they doing any harm? No.
Are they breaking the rules? Yes, I think they are.

Edited by Paramedic - 29 May 20 at 2:03pm
Back to Top
Mozzy View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 21 Apr 20
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 209 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Mozzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 1:57pm
I think the main thing is the 2m rule for different households in race boxes and patrol boats. If you can avoid this then there is nothing that stops competitive sailing. 

There's a small issue with the 'meet with one other person from another household' and soon to be 'up to six people'. But it's unclear what constitutes 'meeting'. 

For example, I can go to the park to explicitly meet (2m apart) a friend, or go for a walk etc. Obviously there might be many people at the park also walking or jogging or whatever. But, it's fine as you're not there to 'meet' them. 

Are other boats at a sailing club like other joggers in a park? Or are they implicitly part of the same gathering? At what point do people in the same place for the same reason become part of the same gathering? It's all a bit grey. 

There would be a case that as soon as you publish official start time or an official event, then everyone participating is part of a singular gathering.

The reality is, if you're outdoors, and well spaced, the transmission risk is low, and whether there are 20 people there out of coincidence or through design makes little difference. However, limiting gatherings to 2 (or soon to be 6) does make it a lot easier for police to break things up before groups become large and inhibitions are removed and the 2m rule goes out of the window. 

I don't recall club racing ever slowly morphing in to a situation where 50 people are hugging and kissing... although a FED week party is another matter!

On the other hand, an informal race to a buoy and back with whoever happens to be on the water is plenty enough for me. I've long been of the opinion that NoR, SI's, flags and even results don't add much to my club racing experience and I've not missed them on the last couple outings at HISC. It's not a area I particularly want the club to push the rules on. 
Back to Top
423zero View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 08 Jan 15
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 1:15pm
Been to several clubs with shore launching where social distancing would still be possible even with 12 boats, but, yes it does state 6 people and still maintain social distancing, would this apply to a sports venue? You are not in fact going to meet a specific person.
Robert
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 28293031>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy