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    Posted: 26 May 20 at 6:37pm
Haha - no Mike.... I applaud your approach: efficiency over pure horsepower.

My 'wouldn't' is in reference to ruining what sounds like a fun personal endeavour with commercial aspiration.

Keep the photos, and if you can, vids, flowing.... lovly looking boat.


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No Problem TT .... But I'm simply after straightforward efficiency via the concepts being tested - which is why Hybrid was produced.  Being able to 'do the same things' with a smaller sail plan stretches the higher wind range capability (wihout needing to be super-human !).  Then you still have the option of adding area back or in addition and really fly.  Pursuing highest efficiency goals also means you need less leverage all other things being equal.... so not quite as wide maybe, no complex wing / trapeze / sliding seat which also can obviously keep the overall weight down - a virtuous circle of benefits.   My view is many commercial projects are under real financial pressure and some launch far too early with sub-optimised elements - often seen in foils and rigs offered.  There is absolutely no time or commercial pressure with Hybrid at the moment ....  I rest my case !  Wink
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Originally posted by Cirrus

No Problem TT ....   There is absolutely no time or commercial pressure or market for Hybrid at the moment ....  I rest my case !  Wink


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I'm not sure that even GRFi could so completely trash the current dinghy market...  But if he wants bragging rights I guess best to humour him as ever  .. So 'Yes of course - whatever' !!    LOL
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Well many a true word spoken in jest, our local dinghy market is unlikely to recover post Covid, we've effectively lost 1 club and the other aint exactly sprinting to get racing going again, I'm going to have to halve my little fleet am even considering flogging the lot. Once you get out of the habit....

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Griff, I am in same boat, I sold all my boats, not sure what I am going to do at the moment, nothing moving by me yet, sorry to be so negative.
Cirrus, enjoying your thread.
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Cirrus 
Thank you for your detailed explanation of why you haven't gone for the raking rig option.

In response to the negativity

Well I am fortunate to be really enjoying my sailing on the Solent. The Phantom is a joy to sail and after a few tweaks sorting mistakes I made in the fit out as below and everything is working well.
Added some extra bungy so the toe straps now sit up and untangled a control line I got wrong.
Shortened the main strop which could be to long.
I used to have 2 boats but decided to concentrate on one, maybe others should try it rather than having a fleet they don't sail very much.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Once you get out of the habit....

ain't that the truth - every year that passes throws itself another reason to push buying a boat down the priority list.

last year was work, the one before that 'settling in'.... this year, well no explanation needed.

no doubt next summer will be f**ked by the economic fall out, we're already trading at 50% in a primary industry, christ knows how the rest are fairing.
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I think the Icon could have the makings of a nice large single hander regardless of whether it has any commercial potential.  One thing I've never liked with my NS14 is having combined helm and crew toestraps.  You never really feel locked in to the boat when it's wavy breezy reaching.  A 6' helm with a 4'6" crew is never going to get a good compromise on the length either, not that that's going to be an issue singlehanded.  Have you considered shorter toestraps with an anchorage in the cockpit floor beneath the invisible thwart?
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Posts: 1312 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 20 at 11:58am
Fact is , there are plenty of reasons not to sail, always have been always will be. However if you want to sail there’s always a way. You either do it or not.
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