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    Posted: 18 May 20 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

]Having said all that, I am a bit of a fan of the Hadron H2 and if I had to foresake one design Solo racing I would be interested in seeing where the Hybrid develops ... the rig looks awesome.
Why?
The H2 is a great boat, it's getting traction, albeit slowly but it's getting somewhere, why water it down with something the same but only marginally dfferent? There are lots of great hiking single handers to choose from these days, Even the old munters like the OK are getting a makeover, there are Phantoms, Blaze, D Zero, Aero's, Solutions, Solo's if you must, chucking another in the mix, seems pointless.
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Part of the issue is that the venues for clubs that are nice to be members of tend to have waters that are unsuitable for boats with assymetric spinnakers, which seems to be the way to make a boat targeted at performance upwind, interesting to sail downwind.  The other issue with assymetrics is that the production boats that they are on are too heavy, so that they cannot soak downwind, compounding the problem of the limited number of venues where these can sail.

However interesting the Musto skiff appears, I think I would be an absolute liability sailing angles downwind through our crowded harbour.

I did enjoy Luke Patience podcast where he made the case for slower, older classes of boats, which make for a much more interesting tactical experience.

Having said all that, I am a bit of a fan of the Hadron H2 and if I had to foresake one design Solo racing I would be interested in seeing where the Hybrid develops ... the rig looks awesome.
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Because an easy to sail trapeze boat on its own would be dull as dishwater, the vortex only lived on because they put a ridiculous kite on it. The Musto isn’t hard to sail, the 600 neither (never sailed a 700). The Farr you have is the lightweight trapeze boat. If you sail inland it’s more about manoeuvrability, you lose more tacking Something like a 300 or a blaze than you ever gain over An aero or the ilk.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Neptune

It looked like a good start for the few minutes I watched. A powerful looking boat that’s going to take some strong hiking to get the potential from it so that deck shape and toe strap positions will be critical.


Whereas a trapeze would make for a more pleasant sail, and plug a yawning great hole in the market for an easy single handed light(ish) trap boat. That would be the logical thing, but there's no place for logic in this game, lets just bung another same old, same old, into a crowded market of same olds...

As I frequently post sort PN by numbers of returns in the top 25 there is only one trapeze boat, fireball at 22. Not fully representative of all dinghy sailing but does give an insight into what your average Sunday Warriors sail. 

So why do you think that is?
It's because nobody builds an easy, trapeze boat, they are all either so heavy you need a crane to lift them and are not competitive on inland water, or ridiculously impossible to sail like the RS600,MPS or RS700, simply put there is no competitive single hand trapeze boat suitable for inland use since the demise of the Vortex.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Neptune

It looked like a good start for the few minutes I watched. A powerful looking boat that’s going to take some strong hiking to get the potential from it so that deck shape and toe strap positions will be critical.


Whereas a trapeze would make for a more pleasant sail, and plug a yawning great hole in the market for an easy single handed light(ish) trap boat. That would be the logical thing, but there's no place for logic in this game, lets just bung another same old, same old, into a crowded market of same olds...

As I frequently post sort PN by numbers of returns in the top 25 there is only one trapeze boat, fireball at 22. Not fully representative of all dinghy sailing but does give an insight into what your average Sunday Warriors sail. 
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Originally posted by Neptune

It looked like a good start for the few minutes I watched. A powerful looking boat that’s going to take some strong hiking to get the potential from it so that deck shape and toe strap positions will be critical.


Whereas a trapeze would make for a more pleasant sail, and plug a yawning great hole in the market for an easy single handed light(ish) trap boat. That would be the logical thing, but there's no place for logic in this game, lets just bung another same old, same old, into a crowded market of same olds...

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Must be trick of the camera.
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It is not that big really .... 4.25m overall with beam of 1.58m.  (so approx 14' long) The development sail in the photos is approx 9.4m but the hull is very easily driven.  Itt should be a reasonable weight carrier (..a wide range was planned for anyway) but this will be driven by sail area, which can be varied of course, as much as anything.   It is a lowish rocker one.   I'm just over 80kg myself but the hull is not that extreme and I would guess it should be good (ie still 'working' well) up to 95+kg with this area of sail.  We have other sails to try in due course including 8.8m and 10.4m


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