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Cirrus 
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 Topic: Hybrid !Posted: 11 Apr 20 at 9:48am |
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Is that the Rondar Icon derivative intended for the US market? ..... In short and in part 'yes' and
this hull was the first out of the tooling - as a sailing test bed. The
new tooling can/could also supply the 2-sail Icon segment if there is demand with
a different ‘population’ of parts and fittings. It would even be possible as a prospective
owner to switch between 2 and 3 sail modes’ in a couple of hours. The underwater side is identical but the deck
arrangements have many many refinements.
We learnt a hell of a lot from the original Icon, not least that the
basics were far too good to be allowed to somehow ‘fail’ at the initial attempt.
In reality it is obviously not realistic
to put a time scale on anything much at the moment, at least not yet .. and
thank goodness the project was effectively 'frozen' a little way back due then to
brexit trading uncertainty. ...). Does not stop us dreaming and we
all need a few of those at the moment.. 
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iGRF
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Significant disadvantages? Maybe on symmetrics where you need to recover the kite after the pole, not that I've got much of a clue about that ancient world, but Assyms? Can't see any, quite the opposite in fact, the kite needs to be close to the pole as it retracts. I have though often postulated about an alternative hybrid system between assym and sym using maybe a dangly pole so a system could be contrived to use round cans on lakes for a single hander, not fully thought it right through yet but I'm sure there must be a way. |
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423zero
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 5:28pm |
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Switching tacks? Presumably it would foul forestay.
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Robert
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JimC
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It was a very common config in the early days of kite chutes, and you'll see it on a few classes still. Merlins for example. There are significant disadvantages though, which is why most classes have changed to having it further aft. Edited by JimC - 10 Apr 20 at 5:23pm |
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 4:27pm |
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Is that the Rondar Icon derivative intended for the US market? Is there any news on that front? Looks good by the way!
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Cirrus
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 4:03pm |
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Forestay behind chute ? No a conscious design choice - with any very fine bow you can end up with a small and awkward shaped chute if you place the forestay behind.... or the forestay ends up a mile back along the foredeck. We made a deliberate choice to have a relatively generous and low friction chute arrangement relative to other designs behind the forestay. The clew on the asymetric is cut high on this craft to really aid crew sight lines offwind and this feature plus the very generous chute proportions make raising/dropping a doddle. Much of the problem found with some designs has a lot to do with trying to get a large sail area and lowish clewed spinnaker into/out of a (relatively tight and under-sized) chute - regardless of where located....  Edited by Cirrus - 10 Apr 20 at 4:04pm |
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andymck
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 3:38pm |
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If that had a symmetrical kite I would be interested.
The one real place no one has a serous go at tackling, a modern lark or scorp. Well apart from the Merlin lol. But not everyone has 25 grand. |
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423zero
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 2:12pm |
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Think about that first sail
I think sailing will see a boost in new sailors, people are going to want to do something, try new things. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 1:14pm |
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There's plenty of wind here, we've had days of champagne conditions, I get so I can't even bear to look.. going slowly sane, ordinary, compliant, old.
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423zero
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Posted: 10 Apr 20 at 12:17pm |
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Lovely water and sunshine, any wind?
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