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    Posted: 04 Mar 20 at 10:29pm
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How much bigger is this new place I wonder, there's no doubt cross over interests and exhibits make shows more worthwhile visiting, back when Jenny Curry was running the show I helped get windsurfing there, it wouldn't be difficult to get windsurf, kite and paddle on board, with the resulting extra audience and more crossover potential.

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The " trapeze tacking competition " was part of my suggestion to include within the new appealing 2021 show.

Lets hope the RYA take the opportunity in the new halls to try and get some of the people who used to go, back as visitors
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

 
My club has gone from booking a coach to the show every year to just a few going mainly with pro or senior class connections. The consistent response to " why dont you go" is because its largely the same show repeated.
Having never been close enough for a whole club outing to be something our club would consider.  But those are comments I've heard.  "Been before, much the same each year." "Since the internet - not the bargains there used to be" and "I go every few years".  I've been all of those responses to be honest!

Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

 
Ok changing from some halls with boats in will be difficult, but when the same or similar presentations are wheeled out ( some are very good but for three years?), they are clearly just focusing on new blood.
Haven't been for a few years so hard to know what was on last year and the year before.  The guys from Nipeggi cant have been there last year though.  The Olympic Team - I think are aimed at the Juniors who might want to be on the stage in future years... so inevitably there is a constant supply of new juniors...


Perhaps they are right and encouraging the existing dinghy sailors will not achieve anything in their view.

The " Stick" presentation was one I was sad to miss, add 3 more like this and the appeal grows
SO - don't get rid of what is happening - just deliver extra stuff.  2 stages if need be.  Thats what AllyPally doesn't allow.
I don't know what the 'Stick' was...


The Trapeze tacking competition would entertain the crowd and involve visitors.
There was no trapeze tacking that I saw.  There was a RYA stand with 4 juniors trapeezeing - practicing coming in etc.  Was popular enough with non-trapeezers as a way to learn.  There was a simulator (two), a VR thing (child went on it - don't know what it did - but he said it was good). 

Cadet class was running a spinny hoist, gybe and retrieve against the clock.  That was with 'wind' and on a simulator that turned the hull and allowed some trim and balance.  

When I were a lad - I recall going to the Scottish Camping & Sailing Show and grinding up a sail up the mast of a yacht against the clock.  Good fun.  But not my kind of sailing.
 

Some continuous boat repair,improvement stands
West Systems had a stand doing demos.  There was also a trailer maintenance demo section.
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The Df65 radio sailing was good to bring back, suits the existing ageing market. I have got one already so didnt need to go.
Pond was too small. But - this is the first time I've appreciated that this might actually be a useful teaching concept for a variety of concepts on the water.  But some of that may be that my world of sailing has evolved and I'm more likely to be trying to explain something to others than simply doing it myself.  Same for the virtual sailing game.  As a sailor - its not the same.  As a coach - it would let me test things with a group when I can't get them on the water...

I don't think the market at the show was ageing.  There were plenty families there.  But I think if you look at the old 'fleet' boats - you'd find plenty of "old codgers"

Mind you... I fancied a nice chat to some guys on the Streaker Stand.  We've gone from none to 3 or 4 at the club in 2 years.  I quite fancy it as a future single hander for me.  Struggled to engage on the stand. So maybe there is more training needed in the CAs on user engagement.

A bigger venue lets you keep everything you currently have and expand in extra things...

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Originally posted by polc1410

If it's £££ - then there is a question about financial viability of a class...

A pukka Class with an RYA registered Class Association gets a heavy discount on the cost of a stand, anything else pays full price.

It actually doesn't take that much money to run a Class Association (after all you don't employ anyone unless you're a Laser class or something), and as JS says the cost of the show looms large. Large as in by far the largest single item in the budget. Second to that used to be printing and postage for newsletters, but that's largely on line now. The smaller and more interesting classes at the show might have 50 paid up members paying say 30 quid a year, and that's their entire income. In my CA committee days our entire publicity budget consisted of the show and ads in Y&Y for the show issue and the Racing Classes review. There was no money for anything else. The only other expenditure I recall was newsletters and the like, plus prizes for Nationals and Travellers, and events weren't subsidised by the class, they had to break even.

I suspect to an extent Social media is an issue for the show. It used to be that it was a once a year meet up to see your friends who were now in other classes, compare notes, gossip and the like, but I expect that mostly happens electronically now.

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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I am hoping that the RYA throw away the " How we run the show" file and start with a clean screen/ piece of paper in the new venue.

Looking forward to seeing an all new format, based on the fact that 75% of the visitors are repeat customers and need some all new stuff to encourage them to visit.

With Winter becoming a rarity, and a free car park perhaps the drive south is viable.


75% repeat visits. Maybe they actually want fresh blood?!

What *should* the show do - forget what. It does that doesn't enthuse you - that is irrelevant it may enthuse others. What is it that you feel is missing...


My club has gone from booking a coach to the show every year to just a few going mainly with pro or senior class connections. The consistent response to " why dont you go" is because its largely the same show repeated.

Ok changing from some halls with boats in will be difficult, but when the same or similar presentations are wheeled out ( some are very good but for three years?), they are clearly just focusing on new blood.

Perhaps they are right and encouraging the existing dinghy sailors will not achieve anything in their view.

The " Stick" presentation was one I was sad to miss, add 3 more like this and the appeal grows

The Trapeze tacking competition would entertain the crowd and involve visitors.

Some continuous boat repair,improvement stands



Etc etc


Or perhaps the target is new sailors who want to buy new boats.

And the rest of us go sailing? And spend the £75 saved on new boots?

The Df65 radio sailing was good to bring back, suits the existing ageing market. I have got one already so didnt need to go.


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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I am hoping that the RYA throw away the " How we run the show" file and start with a clean screen/ piece of paper in the new venue.

Looking forward to seeing an all new format, based on the fact that 75% of the visitors are repeat customers and need some all new stuff to encourage them to visit.

With Winter becoming a rarity, and a free car park perhaps the drive south is viable.


75% repeat visits. Maybe they actually want fresh blood?!

What *should* the show do - forget what. It does that doesn't enthuse you - that is irrelevant it may enthuse others. What is it that you feel is missing...
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From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase

I'm intrigued! How is that calculated? You mean 6 hours longer? Its only two hours from Ally P to Farnbrough by public transport and much of that is getting from AP to the middle of town. Farnborough is actually only about 20 miles further south than Ally P anyway.


It's calculated by departing at 9pm!
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I've been involved in many Stands (building, manning, setting up, negotiating with brands etc..) over the years, and the cost for classes is debilitating (it's the biggest yearly cost to some classes). Add to this the way the RYA finacially penalises 'new' classes, due to none membership of the RYA (who's rules dictate that you must have a minimum number of members to be a member). And well, I hope they do pass on any savings, rather than pocket them - and look at their rulings for small / new classes. (The Farr 3.7 case is a bit odd, as we operate as an Area Group under the NZ Class which is affiliated to the YNZ) 

There is an oddity. A class can't sell a boat on their stand. (You'd think they would be getting cheaper than builders)

Niche builders - can't justify a stand.

Yet - software providers managed to provide a stand for software that I doubt will sell enough copies to cover the cost a CA would have paid for a year.

You have groups like the NSSA who won't exactly be rich - do they pay top dollar too?

Yet I don't recall seeing say a RS Tera stand - I assume they were part of the builder stand? But a parent trying to help child pick a boat actually should be talking to the CA about coaching support etc not a builder? Do Oppie and Cadet caught my attention of the youth classes...

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Originally posted by iGRF

Something had to change it was a bit absurd that an embryonic class like the Farr couldn't even get to exhibit without being on a builder or fittings stand.


When you say "couldn't" do you mean absolutely can't as there is no space or some rule blocks you or do you mean the £££ was too much?

If it's £££ - then there is a question about financial viability of a class...
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