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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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75% repeat visits. Maybe they actually want fresh blood?! What *should* the show do - forget what. It does that doesn't enthuse you - that is irrelevant it may enthuse others. What is it that you feel is missing... |
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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My club has gone from booking a coach to the show every year to just a few going mainly with pro or senior class connections. The consistent response to " why dont you go" is because its largely the same show repeated. Ok changing from some halls with boats in will be difficult, but when the same or similar presentations are wheeled out ( some are very good but for three years?), they are clearly just focusing on new blood. Perhaps they are right and encouraging the existing dinghy sailors will not achieve anything in their view. The " Stick" presentation was one I was sad to miss, add 3 more like this and the appeal grows The Trapeze tacking competition would entertain the crowd and involve visitors. Some continuous boat repair,improvement stands Etc etc Or perhaps the target is new sailors who want to buy new boats. And the rest of us go sailing? And spend the £75 saved on new boots? The Df65 radio sailing was good to bring back, suits the existing ageing market. I have got one already so didnt need to go. Edited by ian.r.mcdonald - 04 Mar 20 at 7:50pm |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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A pukka Class with an RYA registered Class Association gets a heavy discount on the cost of a stand, anything else pays full price. It actually doesn't take that much money to run a Class Association (after all you don't employ anyone unless you're a Laser class or something), and as JS says the cost of the show looms large. Large as in by far the largest single item in the budget. Second to that used to be printing and postage for newsletters, but that's largely on line now. The smaller and more interesting classes at the show might have 50 paid up members paying say 30 quid a year, and that's their entire income. In my CA committee days our entire publicity budget consisted of the show and ads in Y&Y for the show issue and the Racing Classes review. There was no money for anything else. The only other expenditure I recall was newsletters and the like, plus prizes for Nationals and Travellers, and events weren't subsidised by the class, they had to break even. I suspect to an extent Social media is an issue for the show. It used to be that it was a once a year meet up to see your friends who were now in other classes, compare notes, gossip and the like, but I expect that mostly happens electronically now. Edited by JimC - 04 Mar 20 at 9:12pm |
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Having never been close enough for a whole club outing to be something our club would consider. But those are comments I've heard. "Been before, much the same each year." "Since the internet - not the bargains there used to be" and "I go every few years". I've been all of those responses to be honest!
Haven't been for a few years so hard to know what was on last year and the year before. The guys from Nipeggi cant have been there last year though. The Olympic Team - I think are aimed at the Juniors who might want to be on the stage in future years... so inevitably there is a constant supply of new juniors...
SO - don't get rid of what is happening - just deliver extra stuff. 2 stages if need be. Thats what AllyPally doesn't allow. I don't know what the 'Stick' was...
There was no trapeze tacking that I saw. There was a RYA stand with 4 juniors trapeezeing - practicing coming in etc. Was popular enough with non-trapeezers as a way to learn. There was a simulator (two), a VR thing (child went on it - don't know what it did - but he said it was good). Cadet class was running a spinny hoist, gybe and retrieve against the clock. That was with 'wind' and on a simulator that turned the hull and allowed some trim and balance. When I were a lad - I recall going to the Scottish Camping & Sailing Show and grinding up a sail up the mast of a yacht against the clock. Good fun. But not my kind of sailing.
West Systems had a stand doing demos. There was also a trailer maintenance demo section. ?
Pond was too small. But - this is the first time I've appreciated that this might actually be a useful teaching concept for a variety of concepts on the water. But some of that may be that my world of sailing has evolved and I'm more likely to be trying to explain something to others than simply doing it myself. Same for the virtual sailing game. As a sailor - its not the same. As a coach - it would let me test things with a group when I can't get them on the water... I don't think the market at the show was ageing. There were plenty families there. But I think if you look at the old 'fleet' boats - you'd find plenty of "old codgers" Mind you... I fancied a nice chat to some guys on the Streaker Stand. We've gone from none to 3 or 4 at the club in 2 years. I quite fancy it as a future single hander for me. Struggled to engage on the stand. So maybe there is more training needed in the CAs on user engagement. A bigger venue lets you keep everything you currently have and expand in extra things... |
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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The " trapeze tacking competition " was part of my suggestion to include within the new appealing 2021 show.
Lets hope the RYA take the opportunity in the new halls to try and get some of the people who used to go, back as visitors |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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How much bigger is this new place I wonder, there's no doubt cross over interests and exhibits make shows more worthwhile visiting, back when Jenny Curry was running the show I helped get windsurfing there, it wouldn't be difficult to get windsurf, kite and paddle on board, with the resulting extra audience and more crossover potential.
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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AllyPally: 9126msq
Farnborough: ~16,000msq |
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tink ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 16 Location: North Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 789 |
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People could get at 20% discount if they brought a boat bit and there was an area that Over the weekend iGRF and a team of volunteers could build a bandit Laser crushing Franken boat. The venue would need to be near water so the finale would be iGRF Sailing off into the sunset chasing a brace of Lasers.
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E.J. ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184 |
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As CA member I’ve been around this particular buoy , about 10 years ago the CA has to buy a stand at the show just to show it was alive. I remember everyone thinking that if we chose not to go it would signal the decline of the class and start down the slippery slope of losing the critical mass, so from that point of view the show had us and every other strong CA.
Around this time I recall the Phants who are a very strong association decided not to bother, and it had little impact on them. ( apart from saving circa £1500). From that point every year more decided not to bother, we took this view as well and threw in with our builder instead, which is ok but not the same for the visitors. To my mind the rightbprice to the CAs is critical to ensure the show feels like a true representation of the Dinghy scene. That feel has been my main concern about the show, and this time was the worst, fewer dinghy classes, more industry/commercial stands and most worrying lots of non Dinghy stands taking up vast swathes of floor space, making it feel like the RY A was desperate to fill the room.. If Farnborough reverses this trend it will be worth the extra 25min in the car. |
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polc1410 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Lots of non-dinghy stands?
What did I miss!! Only 1 stand that made me think "really?" Was a jewellery stand... I have no idea what they were doing there. I assume they have some link to sailing in the family but I don't see the reason to spend presumably £1500 on a stand! What else did you feel didn't belong? |
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