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    Posted: 04 Mar 20 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by jeffers

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I've been involved in many Stands (building, manning, setting up, negotiating with brands etc..) over the years, and the cost for classes is debilitating (it's the biggest yearly cost to some classes). Add to this the way the RYA finacially penalises 'new' classes, due to none membership of the RYA (who's rules dictate that you must have a minimum number of members to be a member). 

Not sure where you heard that Jack, the D-Zero class affiliated with the RYA before we had any CA members and before many boats were delivered. 

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

 
I've been involved in many Stands (building, manning, setting up, negotiating with brands etc..) over the years, and the cost for classes is debilitating (it's the biggest yearly cost to some classes). Add to this the way the RYA finacially penalises 'new' classes, due to none membership of the RYA (who's rules dictate that you must have a minimum number of members to be a member). 

Not sure where you heard that Jack, the D-Zero class affiliated with the RYA before we had any CA members and before many boats were delivered. 
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Originally posted by iGRF

Something had to change it was a bit absurd that an embryonic class like the Farr couldn't even get to exhibit without being on a builder or fittings stand.

i.e PRICE. But I doubt the price pressure the RYA is feeling will be passed on to the classes. They no doubt will discount the big builders who are giving them a Chinese Burn (can you say that these days) over it.

I've been involved in many Stands (building, manning, setting up, negotiating with brands etc..) over the years, and the cost for classes is debilitating (it's the biggest yearly cost to some classes). Add to this the way the RYA finacially penalises 'new' classes, due to none membership of the RYA (who's rules dictate that you must have a minimum number of members to be a member). And well, I hope they do pass on any savings, rather than pocket them - and look at their rulings for small / new classes. (The Farr 3.7 case is a bit odd, as we operate as an Area Group under the NZ Class which is affiliated to the YNZ) 
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From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase

I'm intrigued! How is that calculated? You mean 6 hours longer? Its only two hours from Ally P to Farnbrough by public transport and much of that is getting from AP to the middle of town. Farnborough is actually only about 20 miles further south than Ally P anyway.

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I am hoping that the RYA throw away the " How we run the show" file and start with a clean screen/ piece of paper in the new venue.

Looking forward to seeing an all new format, based on the fact that 75% of the visitors are repeat customers and need some all new stuff to encourage them to visit.

With Winter becoming a rarity, and a free car park perhaps the drive south is viable.
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Something had to change it was a bit absurd that an embryonic class like the Farr couldn't even get to exhibit without being on a builder or fittings stand.
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Originally posted by JimC

The RYAs list of criteria seem reasonable, and Farnborough seems to be the least worst fit. To my mind the show is suffering because too many classes have pulled out because of the expense, so its got to be cheaper than AP, NEC, which probably means Excel and Olympia too. I can't imagine Cotswold Water Park or Blenheim Palace can provide indoor heated halls with 30 foot ceiling height, Manchester feels too far North... Of course if anyone can think of a better venue than anything the RYA have considered I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear. Charming as the old days scattered round a Sports centre were, I don't think it would do for the modern audience...

Jim , I think as always you have the situation spot on. 😀
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I'm not sure that many travel from the North East.

On Saturday I saw one sailor from my club who was manning a CA stand. Two from other clubs near me.

I've done the day trip and the overnight stay. If I was going with family I'd overnight it. I think I'd be less likely to do a day visit.. but I was actually disappointed to not have been going back on Sunday

Its too easy to say it's 3 hrs from Durham to London. But it's more like 4:15 to Ally Pally. If that's 5hrs 15 that's not a big difference.
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I now live less than half an hour from Farnborough but recently moved from Stockton which was a pleasant day trip to Ali P. Calculating on a Saturday leaving at 5.00 or 6.00 is still five hours. Not sure many will spend twice as long travelling as at the show. 
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Originally posted by tink

Originally posted by A2Z

Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase in what was a nice day trip and so many changes just not sensible  


The quickest train from Newcastle tomorrow morning is 3hr16 mins to Alexandra Palace or 4hr 8mins to Farnborough.  So, a bit longer but less than an hour.  Same price, three changes for Ally Pally but two for Farnborough.  From Birmingham the difference is 25 minutes, but the ticket to Farnborough is cheaper.  
Google maps suggests by car from Newcastle is 19minutes longer and from Birmingham is exactly the same time.  
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