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    Posted: 03 Mar 20 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

If they are working on next years show by filling in just the speakers name on the same every year presentation list , and not taking some major action to get Class Associations back exhibiting, I would not be surprised if the last show was at Farnborough.

Where was the trapeze tacking competition, the live boat restoration and repair stand and another three "Sticks" to give a different talk?

Posted this in a different topic but relevant. The PN list sorted by race returns 

Not many classes that aren’t SMOD or as close to it as makes no difference. I often wonder how many people go because they are wanting to change class and the show helps make their decision, and so what is the return on effort for the small classes. 
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Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  
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[QUOTE=A2Z] Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

I want to ride on your train!

Let's hope it's a super appealing new format to make the extra couple of hours travel for us Northeners coming down to Kings Cross worthwhile.
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Not entirely convinced the snapshot who submit handicap data represents the sailing activity in the country

Solo - second most popular boat ? Really ? 7 x more than toppers?

I think we all assume we want the same thing from the show. The reality is there are lots of different people attending for lots of different reasons:

* Big sailors - looking for the latest whatever (boat, gear)
* New sailors - trying to pick a boat, find a club, looking for a holiday
* Class enthusiasts looking to lure the above in
* Juniors & parents looking for gear.
* Juniors enthused by sailing who want to hear from future Olympians etc
* Club officers looking for ideas how to increase participants meme rahip etc
* Tinker'ers looking to repair, improve etc
* Coaches, instructor etc who need to tick off some CPD for 5 year renewal
* Juniors wanting to 'play' on some kit
* People wanting to flog some stuff

The criticism of same presentation different speaker... Doesn't matter if that is a new audience.
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Originally posted by A2Z

Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase in what was a nice day trip and so many changes just not sensible  
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Originally posted by polc1410

Not entirely convinced the snapshot who submit handicap data represents the sailing activity in the country

Solo - second most popular boat ? Really ? 7 x more than toppers?

I think we all assume we want the same thing from the show. The reality is there are lots of different people attending for lots of different reasons:

* Big sailors - looking for the latest whatever (boat, gear)
* New sailors - trying to pick a boat, find a club, looking for a holiday
* Class enthusiasts looking to lure the above in
* Juniors & parents looking for gear.
* Juniors enthused by sailing who want to hear from future Olympians etc
* Club officers looking for ideas how to increase participants meme rahip etc
* Tinker'ers looking to repair, improve etc
* Coaches, instructor etc who need to tick off some CPD for 5 year renewal
* Juniors wanting to 'play' on some kit
* People wanting to flog some stuff

The criticism of same presentation different speaker... Doesn't matter if that is a new audience.
Obviously it only represents club handicap racing, at my club Solo/Topper  7:1 is spot on.

Like your list of attendees not sure how class associations justify the effort.

It does as you say deliver a lot to many but if participation falls below a critical mass in might become unworkable. Only time will tell. 
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Tink? North East of England or North East of UK?

UK - while the carbon footprint isn't great - I'd be think of flying to Gatwick.

England - I'm getting ~5hrs journey time by train. Easiest with a change at Reading. Can't go to Ally Pally without a change. It's 3hrs to KingsX for me, then 20mins to Wood Green plus change time and a fair walk from Wood Green (I'm convinced it's uphill going and coming from AllyPally!) So I guess door to door must be 4hrs (from Durham train station).

But if you search for departing 'now' ... It will not be quick as it's over night...

This year I went down Fri night, I could do the same and be there in 4hr 33mins. Or go to London and travel to Farnborough on Sat morning. Could actually stay in London and do a show on Saturday night that way... ?
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Originally posted by tink

Originally posted by A2Z

Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase in what was a nice day trip and so many changes just not sensible  


The quickest train from Newcastle tomorrow morning is 3hr16 mins to Alexandra Palace or 4hr 8mins to Farnborough.  So, a bit longer but less than an hour.  Same price, three changes for Ally Pally but two for Farnborough.  From Birmingham the difference is 25 minutes, but the ticket to Farnborough is cheaper.  
Google maps suggests by car from Newcastle is 19minutes longer and from Birmingham is exactly the same time.  
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I now live less than half an hour from Farnborough but recently moved from Stockton which was a pleasant day trip to Ali P. Calculating on a Saturday leaving at 5.00 or 6.00 is still five hours. Not sure many will spend twice as long travelling as at the show. 
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I'm not sure that many travel from the North East.

On Saturday I saw one sailor from my club who was manning a CA stand. Two from other clubs near me.

I've done the day trip and the overnight stay. If I was going with family I'd overnight it. I think I'd be less likely to do a day visit.. but I was actually disappointed to not have been going back on Sunday

Its too easy to say it's 3 hrs from Durham to London. But it's more like 4:15 to Ally Pally. If that's 5hrs 15 that's not a big difference.
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