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    Posted: 03 Mar 20 at 8:03pm
Tink? North East of England or North East of UK?

UK - while the carbon footprint isn't great - I'd be think of flying to Gatwick.

England - I'm getting ~5hrs journey time by train. Easiest with a change at Reading. Can't go to Ally Pally without a change. It's 3hrs to KingsX for me, then 20mins to Wood Green plus change time and a fair walk from Wood Green (I'm convinced it's uphill going and coming from AllyPally!) So I guess door to door must be 4hrs (from Durham train station).

But if you search for departing 'now' ... It will not be quick as it's over night...

This year I went down Fri night, I could do the same and be there in 4hr 33mins. Or go to London and travel to Farnborough on Sat morning. Could actually stay in London and do a show on Saturday night that way... ?
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Originally posted by polc1410

Not entirely convinced the snapshot who submit handicap data represents the sailing activity in the country

Solo - second most popular boat ? Really ? 7 x more than toppers?

I think we all assume we want the same thing from the show. The reality is there are lots of different people attending for lots of different reasons:

* Big sailors - looking for the latest whatever (boat, gear)
* New sailors - trying to pick a boat, find a club, looking for a holiday
* Class enthusiasts looking to lure the above in
* Juniors & parents looking for gear.
* Juniors enthused by sailing who want to hear from future Olympians etc
* Club officers looking for ideas how to increase participants meme rahip etc
* Tinker'ers looking to repair, improve etc
* Coaches, instructor etc who need to tick off some CPD for 5 year renewal
* Juniors wanting to 'play' on some kit
* People wanting to flog some stuff

The criticism of same presentation different speaker... Doesn't matter if that is a new audience.
Obviously it only represents club handicap racing, at my club Solo/Topper  7:1 is spot on.

Like your list of attendees not sure how class associations justify the effort.

It does as you say deliver a lot to many but if participation falls below a critical mass in might become unworkable. Only time will tell. 
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Originally posted by A2Z

Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

From the North East 9hrs 23mins by train - that is a three fold increase in what was a nice day trip and so many changes just not sensible  
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Not entirely convinced the snapshot who submit handicap data represents the sailing activity in the country

Solo - second most popular boat ? Really ? 7 x more than toppers?

I think we all assume we want the same thing from the show. The reality is there are lots of different people attending for lots of different reasons:

* Big sailors - looking for the latest whatever (boat, gear)
* New sailors - trying to pick a boat, find a club, looking for a holiday
* Class enthusiasts looking to lure the above in
* Juniors & parents looking for gear.
* Juniors enthused by sailing who want to hear from future Olympians etc
* Club officers looking for ideas how to increase participants meme rahip etc
* Tinker'ers looking to repair, improve etc
* Coaches, instructor etc who need to tick off some CPD for 5 year renewal
* Juniors wanting to 'play' on some kit
* People wanting to flog some stuff

The criticism of same presentation different speaker... Doesn't matter if that is a new audience.
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[QUOTE=A2Z] Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  

I want to ride on your train!

Let's hope it's a super appealing new format to make the extra couple of hours travel for us Northeners coming down to Kings Cross worthwhile.
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Folks, it’s Farnborough, not Tipararee. It’s only half an hour from London, avoids the North Circular, has four train stations within 10 minutes of it (and a very fancy airport with free muffins) and is a very modern, stylish centre.  I think it’s a great choice.  
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

If they are working on next years show by filling in just the speakers name on the same every year presentation list , and not taking some major action to get Class Associations back exhibiting, I would not be surprised if the last show was at Farnborough.

Where was the trapeze tacking competition, the live boat restoration and repair stand and another three "Sticks" to give a different talk?

Posted this in a different topic but relevant. The PN list sorted by race returns 

Not many classes that aren’t SMOD or as close to it as makes no difference. I often wonder how many people go because they are wanting to change class and the show helps make their decision, and so what is the return on effort for the small classes. 
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If they are working on next years show by filling in just the speakers name on the same every year presentation list , and not taking some major action to get Class Associations back exhibiting, I would not be surprised if the last show was at Farnborough.

Where was the trapeze tacking competition, the live boat restoration and repair stand and another three "Sticks" to give a different talk?
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Posts: 789 		Post Options Post Options   Quote tink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 20 at 6:06pm
Nice of the RYA to give such a relatively detailed explanation. Would be interesting to see the scoring matrix with weightings. I would imagine cost was the main decider by a big factor, plus dates, imagine better venues where booked up for years into the future. 

Hopefully they are actively negotiating 2025 
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Originally posted by PaulPoshW

  • Ease of access by car - a location central to the majority of frequent visitors with good access and parking
  • Ease of access by public transport - location relative to train station, major train lines and bus amenities
I think the RYA may have got the first point wrong. Rather than aiming at the majority of frequent visitors surely they should be looking at how they can increase the number of infrequent. 

Ease of public transport becomes more difficult as most from up north will have to change and travel across London anyway


The first bullet point on the RYA criteria list was PRICE of hire. I think we may have over looked the elephant in the room.
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