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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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What's the probability of a defib being needed on a safety boat? Not very high I would have thought.
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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Thanks guys,
Looking at the lake I use, normally 2 rescue boats, far end of the lake is about 1mile at the far end. If we reckon that 1 rescue boat per 1/2 of the lake, then if it takes a couple of minutes to reach a casualty ( say 30 seconds to realise it's a casualty, not just a capsize; 45 seconds to reach casualty, then 20 seconds to recover the unresponsive body - with 2 people), then do the assessment, is the defib actually going to help? To be honest, I do wonder if the main use for a club defib is for people at the club, rather than the sailing members... Colin |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Depends on distance, small lake, get them to shore, radio ahead requesting someone call for an ambulance. Greater distance, you need to make a decision.
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ian.r.mcdonald ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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Shouldn't the priority be to get the casualty back to base to give access to ambulance etc and to have the support of others ( potentially more experienced) ? Even if the trip back was just supported by CPR. Surely removing kit etc is going to difficult afloat
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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This article covers the question pretty thoroughly. Basically you can use an AED even in shallow water and it's almost always better to use it ASAP than to wait. So maybe at least one fast RIB should carry one?
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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Back to the suggestion of having defibs on rescue boats:- My understanding is that these units develop quite a high voltage (little current), but when used, warn bystanders to step back. Can you really use a defib in a rescue boat? My club has a mixture of RIBs and Pioneers, which don't all have an ideal floor space of a casualty, but can be pretty well guaranteed to be wet... How do such units survive in a wet environment (spray, rain etc) High voltage and water aren't usually a good combination.... Using one would, in this time of year, mean cutting off the casualty's wet/dry suit to attach the electrodes. Something that isn't too easy in a rescue boat - even on a lake. I guess that the best plan is to move the casualty to an island or near shore, but then we're isolated from the emergency services, without re-packaging the casualty into a boat and transporting them. It's not an easy situation. Colin
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Defibs are a good thing and designed so that people with no medical training can use them. They will not do anything if it is not the right action to do.
They can buy vital time and save lives as has been proven and getting a defib even with a code is usually quicker than an ambulance or first responder arriving on site. We have one at Hunts, training is given on all first aid courses as to its use but they are idiot proof.
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Riv ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 13 Location: South Devon Online Status: Offline Posts: 353 |
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Sometimes I work with people who have DNRs, however from the careplans it is made clear that it is DNR only in specific circumstances.
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If the DNAR status cannot be proven to satisfaction of the responders CPR is commenced and worked until a practitioner who has the authorisation to call it is present if there is no response |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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https://www.soasafety.co.uk/will-i-be-sued-for-giving-first-aid/
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