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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: Which Laser sail?Posted: 11 Dec 19 at 11:37am |
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My pal has an MSB Blaze replica and it's very well made indeed (the proverbial concrete toilet TBH).
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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
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Thanks for the feedback. I've got XD kit on the boat as my kids used to use it. Sounds like a I should look at a mk2 sail and not be too bothered about the replica bit given my laser open days are way in the past. I see that LP "non class legal" sails are coming up on ebay at very cheap prices, will look out for one of these or a replica from a known source like MSB or Rooster sails.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 10:56pm |
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TBF the Rooster is a competitor for the LP 'Training Sail' rather than the no button 'Class Compliant' version which is £130 cheaper than the 'with button' 'Class Legal' version and should be identical to it in every respect.
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By The Lee
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Posted: 10 Dec 19 at 7:15pm |
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Having used both the Rooster and no button laser sail this is my feeling is that although very cheap the rooster sail is definatly off the mark. The no button sail from LP is much better but the quality control is poor so the shape is very hit and miss depending on the sail.
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Sam.Spoons
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Good point, I should have read the specs more closely, the LP training sail also uses "longer lasting' 3.8 oz dacron (but the class compliant/legal LP sail uses "longer lasting' 4.5 oz sailcloth.....)
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eric_c
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That is made of 3.8oz cloth. The Laser 'no button' sail is made of 4.5oz cloth like the class legal one. A sail made from 4.5oz cloth of a known brand seems appealing to me. But any of these sails will be a great improvement over an ancient original sail. Differences between them will be relatively minor. For PY racing best bet is keep the Laser for very windy days and buy a nicer boat for enjoyable sailing.
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Sam.Spoons
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I think that's probably not true, Laser branded sails are notoriously expensive (as, indeed are many SMOD sails, if you have a monopoly, milk it, is good business practice) there is no reason why a replica should be inferior to a class legal/button fitted sail. There are certainly good reasons for a class to have a single builder/sailmaker (and not only SMOD classes) but they don't apply across the board. I'm sure there are some cheap, poorly made replicas out there but there are many made by reputable sailmakers that are every bit as well made as an original. There are even some mk2 replicas appearing (I can't imagine this is remotely sub-standard https://www.roostersailing.com/pd/Replacement-MK2-Standard-Laser-Sail-Combo-Deal_107523.htm which should be a good option for the club sailor.
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eric_c
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If you come across genuinely lightly used sails at a fair price, the are great, but an awful lot of people will advertise sails as 'excellent' if they don't actually have any holes in. The squaddies seem to use their sails in a lot of wind and leave them flapping a lot, a week of that is equivalent to a season's fair use in a class where sails get raised and dropped at the water's edge. I think someone on here suggested getting the same 'replica' as your mates, so you get the closest thing to level raciing? I have bought plenty of secondhand sails in other classes.
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By The Lee
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Replica sails are notoriously band imitations and in my opinion are a false economy. You are much better off buying a second hand lightly used sail from olympic campagainer. Mark 2 is the only way to go a much nicer sail and lasts much longer. Does require a slightly different setup though
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It's worth looking at Intensity Sail in the US http://www.intensitysails.com/prsaforlamk2.html Sail is currently $150, shipping will be about $75 for one sail or $85 for two. On top of that, you may or may not get charged Import Duty at 12% and VAT on top at 20% Which makes it about the same as some of the others, but it's in 4.5oz Challenge Dacron. Unfortunately it will arrive folded. In my view, the differences between Mk1 and Mk2 are minor, maybe the Mk1 would actually be a little more versatile, setting reasonably with less kicker in lighter air, if pretty much all Mk1 sails weren't clapped out now. Small differences show up in class racing, half a boat length gets you 1st at the mark but doesn't matter that much on PY very often. The 'class compliant' illegal sail from Laser is nicer than most replicas IMHO. There seems to be a steady trickle of unused Mk1s on Facebook or ebay, might be worth considering for light air venues or perhaps if you are on the light side? Has anyone seen one of those ARC rigs? looked a bit creased in the photo?
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