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    Posted: 17 Nov 19 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Glad someone asked - I've been wondering if the question was PC.


PC?

Anyway the original question was just after a chat in the bar about what would happen in this scenario and I was curious to find out the truth from the knowledge forum here. It originates from Merlin's and putting a halyard bag in between the kicker/boom/mast.
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Glad someone asked - I've been wondering if the question was PC.
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Anyway, back OT, what actually is the class and the mod that is exiting so much attention?
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It's an odd use of the expression 'single ply', plywood is made up of three or more 'plies' or layers, laminate sails are made up of three or more layers, typically two plies of polyester film and a third of some kind of scrim, all glued together.

Not sure what you mean by 'tape drive' in this context but I assume you are referring to UK Sailmakers variation of moulded laminate sail construction (first used, I believe, by North in their 3DL sails) where the sail is made in one piece over a former and the scrim is laid along stress lines?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Ah, ok. They specifically prohibit sleeved luffs though the 'single ply' wording seems to do the same thing.


No double luffs. But ply is still ply. No matter it's construction method. What it stops you from doing is putting tapes through the middle of the sail making an old school tape drive sail. Or twin plying high load areas.
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Ah, ok. They specifically prohibit sleeved luffs though the 'single ply' wording seems to do the same thing.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Interesting that the Merlin rules state a 'single ply' sail but laminate sails are allowed. Surely, by definition, a laminate has to have more than a single ply?

Ply is defined in the ERS ... Sheet of sail material, laminate is exactly that .
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Interesting that the Merlin rules state a 'single ply' sail but laminate sails are allowed. Surely, by definition, a laminate has to have more than a single ply?
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76.1 The organizing authority or the race committee may reject or cancel
the entry of a boat or exclude a competitor, subject to rule 76.3,
provided it does so before the start of the first race and states the
reason for doing so. On request the boat shall promptly be given the
reason in writing. The boat may request redress if she considers that
the rejection or exclusion is improper.


I believe there are only a very limited number of reasons an exclusion might be considered improper. A race organiser, so far as I am aware, is quite entitled to hold an event for (say) Merlin class boats that don't have such and such a feature. If you think about it the de May series for vintage boats is precisely that.

A protest at a club race doesn't set a precedent.

If you haven't broken a rule you can't be disqualified for breaking a rule. However I see no reason why an entry can't be refused. It is, of course, a very strange way of going about things: if you want to ban a development change the damn rules, but it doesn't appear to be prohibited.
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I'm not protesting anyone, it's not handicap racing, I've no interest in lasers or training sails (and davidyacht Merlin's can have any material sail as long as it is single ply)
It's a development class.
I have the development on my boat, the measure says it's legal to me, the CA write to me saying I won't be allowed to compete in their open meetings with my boat in its current form. They are not protesting me, they are saying I won't be allowed to compete. Now who is making dick moves? And what is the non dick way of saying I'm legal? Have a protest at a sailing club in a normal club race, to set a precedent.
If the CA do this and rig the system to ensure it is out lawed (by having the addition on a 'friendly' boat) and then protesting it by another 'friendly' boat and finding a protest committee of approved CA members. Can that protest only be appealed by the two protest boats?.
If I'm not there to give the evidence I have regarding the rule? I just have to suck eggs?
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