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    Posted: 14 Nov 19 at 3:29pm
Following on from the post on how to stop sailing declining it got me thinking about how hard it is to get race training in our sport. If you think about most other individual sports (i.e. Tennis, Golf etc) it is extremely common for people to get training throughout their playing lifecycle. There is a whole industry set up to provide training to people who have been playing for years but want to continue to improve.

I am not interested in doing a RYA course because what I want is someone who can help me improve in areas that I know I am weak. For example, sailing in waves down wind (lack of practice) or how to maximise boat speed in marginal planing conditions. All of us have areas that we know we are strong and weak on in our sailing.

Over the years I have gone looking for training and have had a bit of a hit and miss battle. I do not want to spell my experience out here but lets just say its been an interesting journey!

My point though is WHY? Why do we not have a well established industry selling training to individuals or small groups (clubs or fleets) with stuff going on each weekend?
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Because most of the potential trainers have spent the week cutting sails or making boats, and they would like some time off at weekends.

And with the growth of RYA approved clubs, the pressure is on to have RYA qualifications before someone can coach. And it's a " difficult" situation when the student for a coaches course may know more than the person running it.

The days of getting the club expert to pass knowledge on seems to have gone.

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OK - good points and I agree that many of the people I spoke too work in the trade during the week but I was happy to do the training during the week if that helped. The RYA thing is a blind alley in my mind, I was happy to pay outside of the club so there was no need for the person to be qualified - if they were qualified in my eyes then I was willing to pay them cash and launch off any number of public slipways so there is no need to involve a club or the RYA.

There have to be people around who are too tired and old to make sails but too young to shuffle off to retirement. Is there really such a lack of demand that no one is willing to supply services?
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Google "Dinghy racing training" - a few RYA links and then straight into books you can read.

Google "Tennis Training" or "Improve my Golf" and get ready to be swamped.
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And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.
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Crazy that people are happy to spend money on kit, when spending 75% less on training is likely to have more effect on their finishing position.



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It is much harder to provided sailing coaching than tennis coaching, but now with wireless headsets and go-pro's it ought to be possible. How many clubs have a 'pro' who splits their time between coaching, boat repairs, chandlery etc?

1:1 tennis coaching is typically £20-30/hr. Less in a group, obvs.
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Originally posted by Rupert

And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.

I do agree that sailors are pikey. 

However, I have run two training events in the last few years. One was class specific and we had a well known pro come and help us out for a day and the second was for Asymmetric with the trainer provided by RS and in both cases we had no issue getting 10 people along and covering the costs.

I would be willing to pay a few hundred for a days training 1-2-1. No idea if that is pikey or not but £200 a day at 220 working days is £44k pre tax so can't be far off what is fair.
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It is much harder to provided sailing coaching than tennis coaching, but now with wireless headsets and go-pro's it ought to be possible. How many clubs have a 'pro' who splits their time between coaching, boat repairs, chandlery etc?

1:1 tennis coaching is typically £20-30/hr. Less in a group, obvs.

Also - you can play tennis most days regardless of weather but if the wind blows too little or too much or if the waves don't show up it can be hard to do sailing coaching every day which means the person being trained has to be willing to sign up and pay for a few days on the basis that then some of that time will be usable to achieve the coaching goals expected.
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Originally posted by Rupert

And before grumph says it, dinghy sailors are careful with their money...

I've done a little 1:1 or small group tuition over the years as a volunteer, but somehow when you suggest payment, almost no one is interested.

I do agree that sailors are pikey. 
However, I have run two training events in the last few years. One was class specific and we had a well known pro come and help us out for a day and the second was for Asymmetric with the trainer provided by RS and in both cases we had no issue getting 10 people along and covering the costs.
I would be willing to pay a few hundred for a days training 1-2-1. No idea if that is pikey or not but £200 a day at 220 working days is £44k pre tax so can't be far off what is fair.


I was going to say, it's because y'all rely on individual classes to give training at regattas and the like and since we don't have a Handicap racing class association which is something I'm hoping to persuade folk to change, there's not much on offer for us mongrel handicappers.
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