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    Posted: 20 Aug 18 at 12:05pm
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Would be difficult to bring an action of any description if you haven't got a person to deal with.
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Originally posted by 423zero

if no one is in charge, who can be accountable,

I am not a legal specialist, but I strongly suspect that the answer is everyone, and without any limits.
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Apologies in advance Jimc, they would also have to prove you were a member, we allow elderly, pregnant women and disabled people to occasionally use our loo, nearest public toilets miles away, they could be in building when officials arrive, they could be served.
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Sorry.. but when a committee chooses to allocate the majority their time and clubs resources to altruistic aims, whilst at the same time alienating the very people who provide 90%  of the finances of the club, they should at least have the common sense to sit back and realise they (and more specifically the club) are on borrowed time. 
I can't make any sense of this ?   Altruistic aims ?   Does this mean things the club does that you personally don't support ?   As I find it hard to see what's particularly wrong about a sailing club having altruism at its core, if we agree with the dictionary definition of altruistic as being "unselfishly concerned for or devoted to the welfare of others (opposed to egoistic)".  And who are the people that provide 90% of the finances of the club ?   In most clubs I'd guess the income is perhaps 30% from racing and racing members, 50% from recreational sailors who are rarely seen at the club but whose subs keep it afloat, and perhaps 10% each from social and group members. Feels like there is so much antagonism in your posts you're in danger of missing the point of what the sport and our clubs are about. This isn't supposed to be hard work, it's our leisure time, if you're having such a bad experience move club as you clearly don't like or respect where you are.


When you have an RYA inspection that reaffirms the view that the club (a SAILING club remember) is very good at most things but is failing in one vital element.. attracting, supporting and maintaining  SAILING members, you have to wonder why. Obviously you don't personally have to ask yourself that question, why would you, you come across as the very type of committee member I described. 'Dont like what we're doing? leave the club. in fact.. leave the sport'. Bet the rank and file (sailing) members loved you  Clap Clap Clap


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Originally posted by elzorillo

 
When you have an RYA inspection that reaffirms the view that the club (a SAILING club remember) is very good at most things but is failing in one vital element.. attracting, supporting and maintaining  SAILING members, you have to wonder why. Obviously you don't personally have to ask yourself that question, why would you, you come across as the very type of committee member I described. 'Dont like what we're doing? leave the club. in fact.. leave the sport'. Bet the rank and file (sailing) members loved you  Clap Clap Clap
You keep missing the point.  Most of us get involved in the sport because we want to and usually enjoy it, the point I was making is it isn't compulsory and you seem to have lost the plot for whatever reason and you've got to ask "is it worth it ?"  

I've been lucky enough to have made many life long friends in the sport, I choose to no longer take an active role in committee life as I think I've done my bit and it's time for the next generation to take things forward. But yes, increasing sailing memberships is damn hard, so I think you are being incredibly obtuse to use this as a stick to abuse your own club and committee. 
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Originally posted by 423zero

if no one is in charge, who can be accountable,

I am not a legal specialist, but I strongly suspect that the answer is everyone, and without any limits.

i'm currently looking to  corporate structures for an organisation that   is likely to end up as either a Charitable Incorporated Organisation,  Company limited by guarantee  with charity registration  or a CIC and  my  research  and the opinion of another person involved in the project who is Counsel  is that  without  some form of  incorporation it is likely that  members esp those in postions of control   are subject to personal , unlimited  liability, in a civil law sense 
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Originally posted by 423zero

Apologies in advance Jimc, they would also have to prove you were a member

Well, as long as you are sure about that. My experience of certain government bodies is that they say you are responsible and you then end up having to prove they are wrong and you are not, which may cost you a fortune in lawyers. I do know, for instance, that the purpose of having a limited company is to *limit* the amount the company owners are responsible for. But I'm no expert. If an expert in the field says you're safe OK. If not however, saying things like "they have to prove" might leave you in the same place as those who try on the Freeman on the land nonsense. Up the proverbial creek without even a boat let alone a paddle.
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This thread appears to be a catch all, I tried to get it back on topic a couple of posts back, but no takers  Angry
So here goes, it boils my p**s when posters start threads in wrong sections like this one, it should be under Olympics  Angry 
what's needed is a committee member to put up a notice about it  Angry
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Originally posted by 423zero

This thread appears to be a catch all, I tried to get it back on topic a couple of posts back, but no takers  Angry
So here goes, it boils my p**s when posters start threads in wrong sections like this one, it should be under Olympics  Angry 
what's needed is a committee member to put up a notice about it  Angry


Lol

your p*ss seems to have a very low boiling point.  Wink



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