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    Posted: 17 Aug 18 at 8:34am
Having done a stint as Commodore at our club when I got the job by default, the VC resigned for good reasons, I was asked to be VC and I found myself in the top job a year later ...

I pushed the club to update, we started a program of new changing rooms and kitchens to bring them into the 21st century using members and grant funding, we also made the Club “CASC ready”, the club is now benefiting, but it was hard graft for my committee and the one after mine.  It would have been far easier to have simply managed what we had and to not rock the boat.

IMO each committee comes in with a different approach and tackles a different aspect of the club operations.  You need to respect that.  If you don’t like the way the club is being run you really do need to engage by giving something back at committee level.  If a club has 100 members, and you have 10 people engaged at committee level on a three year rotation ... it would suggest everyone who considers sailing to be a lifetime sport should do at least one spell as a committee member.

I would have welcomed Committee members who did not agree with me, it is good to be challenged, otherwise you cannot see the downsides of where you are steering the club.

Ref. The liability of committee members; since my tenure, a more recent committee put a lot of work into revising the M&A to relieve the General Committee of any liabilities, in order to encourage members like turnturtle to participate ... it might be worth looking into this.

Finally; I learnt a huge amount through the process, about subjects that I had previously known very little and in terms of personal development I gained a great deal.  I really would commend “stepping up to the plate”.
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Originally posted by 423zero

]I personally think my club should go back to its roots and un-affiliate from RYA, have no committee whatsoever, we are decades long squatters in our building, when a letter needs reading whoever is there will deal with it, if necessary pass it to everyone to have a look, we are only group in our Cathedral sized building that actually pays electric bill, each group has its own meters for their rooms and offices..


Aah delicious anarchy! A man after my own heart.. screw the bureaucracy.

Or you could of course stand as I did and force your own views upon them, no forms got filled in, no health and safety kitchen inspections got permitted, complaints from neighbours got ignored or told firmly they shouldn't have moved here in the first place, we parked on the promenade when the council installed pay for parking meters, ignored licensing hours and generally a good time was had by all. The club became twenty thousand pounds richer, we installed a computerised starting lights and results system, set up a group to report the results to the PY system, improved the winch safety, got a deal from the council for a brand new club and concrete slipway which the Nimby members voted down. So I left and now there are H&S and no parking notices everywhere, all the forms have been filled in and RYA bureaucracy dealt with, but we get no meals on a thursday night and the sailors have pretty much been ignored for the couple of years since.

Moral of the tale if you want stuff, do it yourself and don't complain when someone else does things differently if you're not involved.

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Well said and well done for instigating, I am of the belief that if more clubs did this RYA would help out with nonsensical paper work, campaign on behalf of clubs to allow a central system, if you are affiliated it's a given that your club complies with data protection etc
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Originally posted by turnturtle

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he may have a different view if he's ever a trustee and has personal liability in the event of an incident at his club.

This is the primary reason why I have personally never wanted to be on a committee... I certainly wouldn’t want to be a director of a sailing club when / if it declares insolvency through essentially no fault of my own and a case of market forces.  It would have too much potential impact on myself and those closest to me- certainly for now anyway when there are dependents to feed.  I wonder what liability or indemnity cover there is for sailing club officers and the depth of such cover.... someone has to do it after all, I do accept that.  


 that depends on the structure of the  Club   and it's legal status  in terms of  incorporation ...


I’d also echo that I think committee members are getting a rough ride on this thread.... most I have known are not without desire to make changes, improvements and never really fail at listening to the various needs of the members.  They are also generally fairly smart people in their day jobs, and I do admire the time and dedication that each of them give... frankly I don’t know how they find it as they are certainly not all ex-civil service emptynesters with a napoleon complex and a great excuse for wife-avoidance.  They have families, jobs, holidays and other interests too.... good time management and organisational skills then.... exactly what most clubs need I’d have thought. 

which is a reason for paid staff in certain roles,  but that brings about issues of  the relationship betwee nthe paid  staff and the committee/ Officers
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which is a reason for paid staff in certain roles,  but that brings about issues of  the relationship betwee nthe paid  staff and the committee/ Officers

That's a model that can, and does, work, for larger clubs. But smaller clubs, probably the large majority are not big enough to sustain paid staff to take on key management roles - without big increases in costs. The model of local sailing clubs depends on members doing the work. There's a place for large (semi)commercial sailing venues, but it would be the end of most local sailing (or at least racing) were that to be the only option.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 18 at 9:25pm
but it would be the end of most local sailing (or at least racing) were that to be the only option.


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It’s hard to get enough volunteers to run a club.  It’s even harder to get volunteers if others are paid for the efforts. 
I’ve had experienced of this at another (not sailing) club.  The treasurer got paid (well), no one else did.  It wasn’t sustainable and ended in tears. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 18 at 7:59am
All depends on who you are paying; paid caterers or a catering franchise might work for some smaller clubs.

It also strikes me that there is a fair amount of software ... Dutyman, Sailwave and subscription software that can make management a lot easier than it was.
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My club uses a professional Sailing instructor, works well and helps keep someone in work
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Com/members run club or a pay and play?

I know which I'd prefer but sadly I think the trend is going the other way. I reckon the main problem won't be lack of participants or members, it'll be lack of volunteers.

I'm not likely to volunteer for com work, tried it once and I was lousy at it, I don't have the temperament for com work.

I do volunteer for other stuff around the club. Done OOD and safety boat perhaps a dozen times yearly on average over the last couple of years and perhaps more importantly I don't whinge about exec com decisions, lack of bog roll in the loos, messy changing rooms when the cadets have been about and egos on the exec com. I've got an ego too (as we all have) and I don't see why I or those on the com should always can it.

So long as there's good racing on a Sunday I'd much prefer a members club.


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