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    Posted: 16 Aug 18 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by 423zero

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You are iGRF this is one of your pseudonyms well done fooled me


Nope, not me, I sympathise with all the views here, yours included, we each have different circumstances and have to deal with f**cking people who for the most part are complete t**sers..
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Wow, thought for sure it was you doing a wind up, so the posts are genuine ?
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Originally posted by 423zero

Late Starter,
You are iGRF this is one of your pseudonyms well done fooled me
So you lose the argument and start trolling..   Well done, your club must be so proud of you.
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awwww bless folks, clubs suck... looking forward to a golden era of sailing centres!

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Originally posted by Oli

i think that both sides of the discussion have valid points, and in some cases each fail to see where the other is coming from or going too. 
I think that most club members and committee members I've met have tended to be quite reasonable and pleasant people, and in 40 years of active sailing I can think of only a couple of real unpleasant personal interactions. 

The point about committees attracting ex public sector types can be a bit true, though I'd say that those folk from a background of larger, more complex organisations seem to work well on committees as a bit of a generalisation. Where I've seen conflict more often than not its been someone new to the sport and the club from a sole trader or small business background.  I guess they are used to being the boss in their day job and react poorly when finding that a committee of ex doctors, town planners, management consultants etc (which was a pretty typical mix on my club committee) isn't hanging on their every word. 

Similarly, sole traders don't seem to understand the difference between, say, a charity or a CASC as opposed to a small business in terms of the constitutional obligations on it. Now the likes of Elzorillo would probably think that's all claptrap and rules for the sake of it, he may have a different view if he's ever a trustee and has personal liability in the event of an incident at his club.

Most committees I've seen have only wanted to look out for the interests of the membership of the club as a whole. This includes racers, trainers and trainees, recreational sailors, occasional sailors, social members, and group members. We used to run periodic surveys and the like at my club, as the duty of the committee is to listen to all members not just the shouty handful. 
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A genuine question to those dissatisfied with the way their club is run - what would you change?
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Originally posted by Late starter

he may have a different view if he's ever a trustee and has personal liability in the event of an incident at his club.

This is the primary reason why I have personally never wanted to be on a committee... I certainly wouldn’t want to be a director of a sailing club when / if it declares insolvency through essentially no fault of my own and a case of market forces.  It would have too much potential impact on myself and those closest to me- certainly for now anyway when there are dependents to feed.  I wonder what liability or indemnity cover there is for sailing club officers and the depth of such cover.... someone has to do it after all, I do accept that.  

I’d also echo that I think committee members are getting a rough ride on this thread.... most I have known are not without desire to make changes, improvements and never really fail at listening to the various needs of the members.  They are also generally fairly smart people in their day jobs, and I do admire the time and dedication that each of them give... frankly I don’t know how they find it as they are certainly not all ex-civil service emptynesters with a napoleon complex and a great excuse for wife-avoidance.  They have families, jobs, holidays and other interests too.... good time management and organisational skills then.... exactly what most clubs need I’d have thought.

Where they struggle is herding the cats of the various different partisan groups within the membership - each echo chamber often in conflict with another as to some basic fundamentals - e.g. what is the club supposed to be about?  Who are they trying to attract?  So despite good intention to make positive changes and try new things,  I can totally understand why maintaining the status quo is an easier option for any committee member, even if this by default than design.  


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Their is nothing wrong with committee at my club, it is well run and financed, their are no trustees never have been, bulk of onerous work appears to fall on our secretary, has I stated earlier.
we have a full training programme for members and offer RYA level 1 &2 to outsiders who with luck will join club, however apart from the 70's and 80's club has never had more than about 35 active members, most races average 12 boats, handicap, though we have enough Lasers and Comets to run Class racing of either.

I personally think my club should go back to its roots and un-affiliate from RYA, have no committee whatsoever, we are decades long squatters in our building, when a letter needs reading whoever is there will deal with it, if necessary pass it to everyone to have a look, we are only group in our Cathedral sized building that actually pays electric bill, each group has its own meters for their rooms and offices.
Deniability, when anything or anyone requests something, say I am not on the committee sorry you need to speak to someone in charge, everyone takes same stance.
Send all RYA boats back, they soak up so much time in repairs they are actually a nuisance, only boats needed are rescue boats (which are our own) and members own.
We pay no rent or rates, only bills are electric, gas is from bottles, petrol from fuel station, all other expenditure would be met as and when, no subs.
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Originally posted by Late starter

Originally posted by Oli

i think that both sides of the discussion have valid points, and in some cases each fail to see where the other is coming from or going too. 
I think that most club members and committee members I've met have tended to be quite reasonable and pleasant people, and in 40 years of active sailing I can think of only a couple of real unpleasant personal interactions. 

The point about committees attracting ex public sector types can be a bit true, though I'd say that those folk from a background of larger, more complex organisations seem to work well on committees as a bit of a generalisation. Where I've seen conflict more often than not its been someone new to the sport and the club from a sole trader or small business background.  I guess they are used to being the boss in their day job and react poorly when finding that a committee of ex doctors, town planners, management consultants etc (which was a pretty typical mix on my club committee) isn't hanging on their every word. 

Similarly, sole traders don't seem to understand the difference between, say, a charity or a CASC as opposed to a small business in terms of the constitutional obligations on it. Now the likes of Elzorillo would probably think that's all claptrap and rules for the sake of it, he may have a different view if he's ever a trustee and has personal liability in the event of an incident at his club.

Most committees I've seen have only wanted to look out for the interests of the membership of the club as a whole. This includes racers, trainers and trainees, recreational sailors, occasional sailors, social members, and group members. We used to run periodic surveys and the like at my club, as the duty of the committee is to listen to all members not just the shouty handful. 

agreed, most people in the club do want what is best for the club, from their perspective.  I too have only come across a couple of nasty shouty ones.  What has to be made clear though is that all opinions are valid and should be heard and not summarily dismissed, that is why a lot of people get upset, its how they're made to feel for having an opinion.  Now this may be an unintentional outcome from the interaction of com member and regular member but can lead to more shouty confrontations in the future.  Now that i am just a regular member i still give my views on where i think the club should be going but do so in our private website forum, this is accessible by all members should they choose and rather than email that has few participants, usually only com members and the view holder taking part. I don't get upset when someone disagrees, i listen and have a reasoned debate, sometimes i cant be swayed and others i can.

As for peoples work backgrounds i'm not so sure it really matters when it comes to those that fail to understand and create conflict, the best committees ive seen are made up of a mix of professionals, sole traders, engineers and management executives, they all have something to bring, its how they're willing to work together and respect each other and their opinions that matter.
 

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