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    Posted: 07 Aug 18 at 10:26pm

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"...do you really need 76 athletes in track and field on the Olympic programme? Or 65 sailors and 54 swimmers? If you told each governing body to start to fund a quarter of their programme they would have to cut a lot of the fat and I don’t think we would lose any medals. Things have just become bloated.”

As things stand, sports are funded by UK Sport over four years on their perceived medal potential – with, for instance, sailing getting £26m, canoeing £20m, equestrianism £18m and curling £6.35m. Warner’s plan would mean these sports would have to show they have public or commercial appeal or see a drop in their budgets."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/06/olympic-sport-funding-hugely-bloated-radical-overhaul-ed-warner?CMP=share_btn_fb
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If they have commercial appeal, then surely tuning comes from elsewhere, too? And unless there is a soothsayer involved who can say 4 years in advance who will win, then of course there will be fewer medals coming our way.

Which isn't to say that the gravy train isn't somewhat bloated.
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Bloated? A Ping pong player who choked giving out psychological advice to sailors? It couldn't get any more surreal if you tried.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Bloated? A Ping pong player who choked giving out psychological advice to sailors? It couldn't get any more surreal if you tried.


GRF are you confusing him with Matthew Syed, the ex-Olympic pingponger who writes articles (now hidden behind the Times paywall) about how he hates the 'posh' olympic sports like rowing and sailing?

Ed Warner doesn't seem to have any ping pong history: https://www.speakers4schools.org/speakers/ed-warner/
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Sports Psychology at that level = the art of perfecting a neurosis.

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Originally posted by iGRF

Bloated? A Ping pong player who choked giving out psychological advice to sailors? It couldn't get any more surreal if you tried.

GRF are you confusing him with Matthew Syed, the ex-Olympic pingponger who writes articles (now hidden behind the Times paywall) about how he hates the 'posh' olympic sports like rowing and sailing?Ed Warner doesn't seem to have any ping pong history: https://www.speakers4schools.org/speakers/ed-warner/

No TT's got it I think except my current device has no sound.

As an alternative a very well known racing windsurfer turned sports psychologist helped a struggling club (Leicester) move successfully up the Premier League, so I accept a degree of psychobabble can work, but at the very least pick someone who's actually won something. Winning at Olympic level I would say it's 75% mental, given to be there you have to have all the physical and tactical stuff already dialled.
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I doubt many of us can really quantify the value of psychology at elite sporting level.  Maybe this isn't the gravy train we characterise, instead a vital part of delivering the objectives the funding streams dictate?

However, I think the same level of investment, if you combined all the various sporting bodies ancillary staff and operating expenditure, put back into grass roots physical education: educating the educators that 1hr of compulsory PE isn't enough for most kids, would be far better for society as a whole- especially to offset a sedentary lifestyle the 21st century has bestowed upon them.  

No brainer really when you compare the global fat stats of under 20s.... but hey, we like gold shiny things and bit of flag waving ever four years to remind the world how f**king superior we are.... it helps us take more share of world resources and get fatter at least.  Quite ironic when you think about it!!!


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Is this where the prevalent 'win at all costs' (both financial and metaphorical) comes from......?

We seem to have two attitudes to 'sport' in this country, most 'professional' sport supports the 'win at all costs' attitude where the concept of fair play seems long gone. In schools we seem to eschew sports where there are winners and losers in case the poor dears develop an inferiority complex if they don't win. Both approaches are abhorrent, one encourages cheating and the other supports the drive for the lowest common denominator.....


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my four year mild, (and very meek) interest in the beautiful game came to a close recently - and it was unavoidable to see the antics of Neymar all over social media, not to mention those thugs from Columbia in one of the few games I watched. If that is the world’s largest sporting contest, then frankly I’m not sure the global view of ‘sport’ is quite the same one you and I may share Sam; and given the way the t**sers in the pub were behaving, the UK view might not be either.

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