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    Posted: 11 May 18 at 10:01am
Sometimes I feel like a big Cod that's accidentally been swept into a pond in a flood and the tides gone out listening to you lot.. How many una rigs do you need? It's one area that is entirely catered for and now with some truly excellent boats, Aero, D Zero, Solution, H2, to name just four that immediately spring to mind but us light sea dwellers albeit seasonal sea dwellers do want some sort of turbo assist for those long dreary processional legs infested with Laser. Tell me, what exactly is there for us? Nowt, Nada, Niet. If the current kite system doesn't work why doesn't someone come up with an alternate that does, screecher furler brought up to date springs to mind. Kites are bloody useless tearing ripping things with holes in them why not some thin gauge cuben fibre stuff cassetted..Or some dangly pole driven symmetric deal might work I did have a drawing for one somewhere didn't we talk about it some while back?


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Originally posted by Cirrus


That would be a beauty with integral wings like the Rocket International Moth
   
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On our estuary an assymetric singlehander would be a big problem, we do not have exclusive use of the water, having to share it with yachts, power boats, fishermen, moored boats, trots, pontoons; so keeping a very good lookout, and being able to manouver instantly are key requisites, and being able to run dead down wind inside the tide line is also key; so assymetric is never going to work.

A winged Phantom beater that has a sleppery hull for light airs and running is most interesting.

The only bolt on that imo might make it more interesting would be a self taking jib that could be goosewinged on the run.
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When I started the search for a singlehander 18 months or so ago the brief was no trap and no kite. I had both of those on the Spice and wanted something I could manage in most conditions. Blaze fills that brief admirably.
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One needs to think about the fun/hassle ratio.

With singlehanded boats especially hoists and drops tend to be a pain, especially if the old body is not what it was. So supposing the hoist and drop adds 30 seconds of hassle to each leg, then if legs are only two minutes long then that's a fair bit of hassle for not that much clear sailing.

Similar problems are true of a foiling boat until you reach the sort of level where you can actually keep the boat on the foils on every leg and through the manouvers.

With a single sail boat the manouvers and roundings have a much lower hassle factor and take much less time, so you get more enjoyable sailing for your money, at the price of lacking the extremes of performance.
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Originally posted by H2


Yeah speed is fun - but then it you just want some speed in your life why not get a foiling moth (Edit: or a race car...which is what I did)


Because putting a kite up on a small pond is attainable for an average sailor, where foiling is not. It can also be done at a good price, these days. The feeling of speed planing along with the kite up, maybe on the edge of one's ability, not really worrying about race results, on a sunny, windy day is great. For the rest of the time I'll take the unarig tactics and lack of fuss and clutter, and try to get a good result.

A race car would sink on a small pond, surely?
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But invaluable when you get it wrong and end up with it over on it's ear........
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Don't bother with kick bars Mike, they are just an unnecessary trip hazard.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 18 at 3:49pm
Yeah speed is fun - but then it you just want some speed in your life why not get a foiling moth (Edit: or a race car...which is what I did)



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Not everyone sails on a pond.

But singlehander with decent size kite also tends to suffer on courses with too many tight reaches.

Despite the difficulties of kites singlehanded, and their poor performance on PY, people seem to enjoy sailing these boats, whether it's a 700 or a Vareo, a good blast with the kite up, some interesting downwind tactics, people come ashore having enjoyed their race/sail and don't care  how they've done against Phantoms and Lasers. Peak Speed is fun.
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