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    Posted: 09 May 18 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Trapezing sends some of the weight of the helm down the mast. Whereas hiking does not.

Sorry Jack but that doesn't make sense too me..... I don't believe there is any difference between sitting out and trapezing WRT fore and aft trim. And it's fore and aft trim that balances the tendency of the rig to push the bow down off wind (CoE of the rig being 3 metres or so above the CoB of the hull). Sure the trap does put the mast int compression but it doesn't affect trim (TBF I can't work out quite how.....). The CoG of the crew is in a certain position relative to the CoB of the hull regardless of how it is kept there, toe straps, trapeze, sliding seat or racks, surely that is the only thing that matters?
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

...took a Morrison 14 hull shape

Think your memory is deceiving you. I do believe it was Howlett, not Morrison, from that pre amalgamation period when the 14s had some really strange rules forcing them into some very curious places. Even more curiously those bizarre boats were probably more popular than the 14s have been before or since. Just goes to show, although what it goes to show I'm not altogether sure.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

...took a Morrison 14 hull shape

Think your memory is deceiving you. I do believe it was Howlett, not Morrison, from that pre amalgamation period when the 14s had some really strange rules forcing them into some very curious places. Even more curiously those bizarre boats were probably more popular than the 14s have been before or since. Just goes to show, although what it goes to show I'm not altogether sure.

OK that sounds about right. It was a while ago! I haven't got much space in my brain, so now when a new thing arrives something old has to go! 
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[ROFL] - the combination of that era of boat and the sign behind is just perfect!
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Jim is spot on, it was the typical Howlett fat & flat under and forward of the mast which afflicted a range of Topper boats and was inherent in the Howlett I14 design.  It worked well at high speeds downwind (I had one) but felt horrible upwind in waves.  I hated the feel of it in those slower heavier Topper boats and longed for a pointier knifier shape in the I14.  I sailed a Boss once and it just wanted to trip over that fat bow, exacerbated by the mast being too far forward.

Originally posted by JimC

[ROFL] - the combination of that era of boat and the sign behind is just perfect!

Agreed, though you could replace the old I14 with a narrow Merlin, a narrow 12, an old-rules IC, a non-foiling Moth, a pre-however-many-times-the-rules-have-changed Cherub etc. etc. etc. and  it would still apply.  When things change, what came before was by definition a dead end.
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The Blaze was one of the Howlett shapes .. at least some of you know.   The sole purpose of  'Hybrid' is to assess the potential for a winged (and very possibly with a spinnaker next) boat using a rather different hull form - with much more in common with the underwater profiles you find in NS14's, derivatives and similar.  It is purely a test bed (but a heck of a lot of fun !) using many used Blaze bits and pieces (that are to hand and can be re-used again usefully ).   With a standard Blaze rig it is a tad faster already as you would expect particularly offwind and slices through waves rather than 'rattle over the top' until fully planing upwind.  In full carbon as one builder has proposed (wings and hull) and with a more ergonomic developed deck it would be a total flyer.    It is longer, a bit wider and carries 'heavies' with the greatest of ease .. and we think it can therefore carry a bit more sail than the Blaze whilst still being 'easy' - so with a Halo sized sail will be similar to a Phantom and D1 area .. so that is the next test stage.  And yes - after that maybe we will see about a spinnaker....and whatever happens I myself will not be building them it is does get productionised !! (but I do get to do much of the 'fun' bit ;-) ) 


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Very nice  - has some of the look we are envisaging for 'Hybrid' in any future deck moulding.  A very clean minimalist approach (but we would want 'kick bars', centreboard rather than dagger ... and a bit of a rig).  Retractable wings are also still a must - we need to be practical..... and the singlehander/trapeze/+ maybe spinnaker has already been done rather well.  So still a hiker of course.     
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow


voodoo skiff iirc?

a bit of vapourware from the last decade.... shame, it looked really cool at least.

Mike - new boat looks very slick.  Don't bother with the kite ... you were right the first time.
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Originally posted by turnturtle


.. you were right the first time.


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