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    Posted: 30 Jan 18 at 7:23am
Main reason our interclub league stopped was due to members realising club they visited was way better than theirs, so moved club.
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Originally posted by Eisvogel

Perhaps what could help is something they started in Germany a few years back: the Sailing Bundesliga (only we would call it the "Cat o' Nine Tails Championship" or something similar), where clubs battle it out in a league format. Might attract more people to their local clubs, as they'd identify more with a club at their location than with an individual sailor.
Late to this. But the RYA started the keelboat league last year. Happening again this year. 
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Maybe Jezza can add ‘ time off for sailing ‘ to the rest of his bunch of bullsh*t one liners on his next manifesto pledge?

Anyway, I hope you’re right Jim, I’d imagine time becomes a lot more fluid when the nest empties eventually! And certainly when one hangs up their boots from the work game and the 9-5 is no longer at someone else beck and call.

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Originally posted by Do Different

Why waste time working to earn money to earn to pay someone else to rig your boat, do your duties and a commercial company make a profit from your ever scarcer leisure time.

well, that depends whether the you is an ordinary working person like you or I, or an executive on ever inflating salaries and bonuses, who gets an order of magnitude more income per hour than the minimum wage peons who would be employed by the brave new world leisure sailing companies.
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Well if an enlightened Gordon is correct and time is the prime asset and not money.

Why waste time working to earn money to earn to pay someone else to rig your boat, do your duties and a commercial company make a profit from your ever scarcer leisure time.

Wise up, stop chasing our tails and go down the sailing Club to mess about in boats.

Oh yes and if Windguru says < a F3 go anyway, because you just never know.  
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by sargesail

In the same way I note that  those of a certain (young) age and unwillingness are increasingly getting involved in organisational roles.

'twas ever thus. When you're young you take from the sport and let others to the boring organisation. When you're older you feel its time to put something back and do the ****. If it turns out that the next generation is so completely up their own posteriors and self obsessed than they won't stand up when its their turn then everything will fall apart and they'll get what they deserve for their kids... Most likely it won't though, because it was ever thus...

I hope you are right, but it was ever thus that men retired at 65 and women at 60, safe in the knowledge their NI contribution would provide a basic level of pension they could live on.... all without 20 years of student debt and 6 x income mortgages- incidently paying over-inflated prices for property to top-up the generation that went before them's pension fund, ironically fuelling a boom in early retirement!

That said, working till 75 might seem like a pipe dream given the gloom and doom predicted with the rise of automation and disruptive technologies.  

Gordon Gekko said it best, but I guess he's probably not up there on your favourite list of Hollywood characters:



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Originally posted by sargesail

In the same way I note that  those of a certain (young) age and unwillingness are increasingly getting involved in organisational roles.

'twas ever thus. When you're young you take from the sport and let others to the boring organisation. When you're older you feel its time to put something back and do the ****. If it turns out that the next generation is so completely up their own posteriors and self obsessed than they won't stand up when its their turn then everything will fall apart and they'll get what they deserve for their kids... Most likely it won't though, because it was ever thus...


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I don't think that Dougal presents a particularly clear thesis, the article is more of a history and reminiscence of the good old days ...

Here is my pennyworth;-

For some time (even in the peak of windsurfing) there is annecdotal evidence that people younger than me tend to dip in and out of technical activity sports in a tick box manner ... been there done that ... mountain biking tick, snow boarding tick, windsurfing tick, kite surfing tick ... so the easiest way to tick the dinghy box is to do it as part af an activity centre type operation be it Dinghy Training in a sailing club or as part of a Sailing Centres operation or in a Holiday situation; dinghy racing simply takes too much commitment in time and money and involves joining clubs and buying boats.

The sport has over developed, a bit like the way Windsurfing did; 49'ers, Moths or Merlins are the sexy bit of the sport ... but really require years of pracice to progress too.  Even RS200's or RS400's, which are marketed to be readily accessible require good teamwork, so do not lend themselves to picking up a novice crew.

For practical reasons the sport of dinghy racing has moved toward single handers ... this does not present the virtuous circle of introducing people into the sport, nor an avenue for cadets to get experience in the front end of a grown up boat.  Even junior sailing is increasingly single hander focused.

I don't offer any answers, but if you could answer most of these points, perhaps you would have the route for Dinghy Racing to move forward.

Sadly I suspect that there is nothing any outside agency can do to push the sport in the direction that many of us would like, the demographics have changed in 40 years, as I see it the best solution is simply to go out dinghy racing for as long as we are able, and hope that others want to join in the fun.
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There is an argument that we should have more clubs fail to end up with a lesser number with better subscriptions. I would wager that 50 years ago to travel 10 miles to the local club was about equivalent to 20-30 miles in todays car yet we still broadly have the same numbers of sailing clubs as 50 years ago looking at the commodores board for most clubs I have been in.

Sailing clubs also rely on the kindness of volunteers and therefore can run to really low overhead levels compared to most businesses hence the ability to continue to operate when a commercial venture would have long since given it up.
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Ah the 'aging volunteer cliff-edge' issue.

I have seen some of this: when there were existential issues for organisations as some older volunteers dropped out, then others became available who had previously been unwilling.

In the same way I note that  those of a certain (young) age and unwillingness are increasingly getting involved in organisational roles.
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