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    Posted: 27 Jan 18 at 2:59pm
Not sure what you're saying Pierre. 

Attitude to risk has changed and it is difficult to generalise.

My mate's Dad was a respected Osprey sailor in the heyday, minimal safety clothing at sea but according to my mate he simply did not capsize. Nowadays with better clothing and more safety cover there seems to be a greater willingness to push harder and accept crashing as part of the game.



  
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So where do they all go if not sailing? We take ours attach them to 12 or 14 square metres of kite and send them out into the ocean on a wake board with zero buoyancy, and lots of them love it and some even get to come back to shore...

So when those very same people get asked to go sailing with maybe their girlfriend or father in law or have to get involved with their kids, what do you think they think about you lot trussing yourselves up in all sorts of safety paraphanalia to go out in the relative safety of a boat, which floats, even if it sinks?
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Originally posted by Do Different

Not sure what you're saying Pierre. 

Attitude to risk has changed and it is difficult to generalise.

My mate's Dad was a respected Osprey sailor in the heyday, minimal safety clothing at sea but according to my mate he simply did not capsize. Nowadays with better clothing and more safety cover there seems to be a greater willingness to push harder and accept crashing as part of the game.


Perhaps your mates dad just knew that capsizing was slow (and it's always slower than not capsizing)? Capsizing never bothered me in the '60s and I'm still here..... (And still capsizing BTW  Embarrassed )
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Yes Sam I'm sure you're correct about said Osprey sailor, weren't you a windsurfer though ?  LOL Wink
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Dinghy sailor first back in the late '60s, windsurfer in the late '70s till the present but back to dinghies properly for the 2008 season and only windsurfing occasionally these days.



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I've kinda got used to always wearing a BA now, and there are more head injury risks in dinghy sailing, but it does seem that there is now an attitude that if you aren't wearing one, you are somehow not only endangering your own life (even when 10 feet from the shore on a river) but those of every rescue service out there, every child who sails, as they might see you and copy, and possibly causing rising sea levels in Polynesia.

Some form of personal responsibility for decisions on safety, especially in obviously benign environments, would be welcome.
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The BA thing is a slightly odd one, I was taught to always wear one in a boat, without fail, and I still do but I almost never wear one while windsurfing (big wind and/or waves on the sea only). Maybe it was my dad's way of convincing my mum that I would be safe, though the culture was in place anyway and many classes mandated on personal buoyancy when racing. I suppose if I was sailing a proper skiff I might not wear one if I found it got in the way but probably not, it's too ingrained after 50+ years.

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One section of article mentioned a return to pre war elitist sailing for the fairly wealthy, can't see how this could happen, clubs would have to ban all second hand boats, charge exhorbitant membership fees.
I personally would counter these measures by starting my own club, there are several suitable lakes close to me without clubs, allowing old boats, cheap fees.
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Originally posted by Do Different

Not sure what you're saying Pierre. 

Attitude to risk has changed and it is difficult to generalise.

My mate's Dad was a respected Osprey sailor in the heyday, minimal safety clothing at sea but according to my mate he simply did not capsize. Nowadays with better clothing and more safety cover there seems to be a greater willingness to push harder and accept crashing as part of the game.
  

I think what I am saying is I get a bit tired of people's absolute reliance of safety boats, and the like, every time they go for a paddle, and seem unable to accept personal responsibility for their own actions. Be a bit brave chaps and mtfu.
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Originally posted by 423zero

One section of article mentioned a return to pre war elitist sailing for the fairly wealthy.

I think to a point it already has, there are at the clubs I sail at far fewer old sub £500 or even £1000 boats active than there were when I started sailing in the mid 90's. Maybe there is just more money around, I dont know but the "stock boat" racing of bodging a tired old plastic Enterprise back together over lunch seems to have died a death - this is probably a good thing for the sport as the usual process was for newbies to buy said plastic Enterprise, spend a month trying to keep it sailing then park it up to sell on to someone who comes off next years course.

What is frustrating are the hoops that an inner city club have to be seen to jump through regarding diversity to justify their presence and the members time that gets wasted on trying to encourage non - white people to come sailing. If they want to come they will, and actually quite a number have.
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